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Why Would Someone Choose To Be Gay? Maybe For The Same Reason Some Choose To Change Their Religion?
January 13, 2005

Posted on 01/13/2005 8:00:33 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist

Gay activists and their supporters often say, "Why would someone choose to be gay?" But why would someone want to change political parties? Why would someone want to change their religion? Maybe it's just what they feel like they need to do, or be.

Gay activists and their supporters often resort to using this phrase or one similar to it. They state: Why would someone choose to be gay in a world where they will face grief and opposition over their sexual orientation?

To which I respond: Why would a Muslim choose to convert to Christianity in a region of the world like Sudan or Iran where they will face grief, opposition, persecution, or even death over their religious orientation?

As well, why would someone choose to change their political orientation, to say Republican, in a family which is strictly union Democrat, and which has voted exclusively Democrat for generations, when they will face grief and opposition over their political orientation?

Now, some may respond that you cannot compare sexual orientation with political or religious orientation, since one makes the choice to convert from one religion or political orientation to another, and that one doesn't choose to be gay, that they are "born that way."

Gays aren't "born that way", though.

Numerous scientific studies, posted at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1300464/posts, show these things:

1.) Environment plays a strong role in homosexuality developing. Almost all of the experts who have done some type of study on homosexuality say that homosexuality cannot be explained apart from reference to environmental factors.

2.) There is a strong prevalance of same-sex sexual abuse in the childhoods of homosexuals.

3.) Many homosexuals themselves link their homosexuality to their sexual victimization experiences.

4.) Gender Identity Disorder, gender confusion and other environmental factors have been shown to play a role in homosexuality developing in some individuals.

5.) There is no "gay gene." Identical-Twin studies, as well as other studies, have smashed this possibility.

6.) Personal choice, to some degree, is involved in all behaviors, sexual or otherwise. Even some lesbians agree with this. Genetic or environmental factors are never overwhelming.

So, you can see that the argument of "Why would someone choose to be gay in a world where they will face grief and opposition over their sexual orientation", doesn't hold water, and neither does the lie of gays being "born that way."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda; moraldepravity; poofter
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To: scripter

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181 posted on 01/13/2005 12:16:57 PM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: DCPatriot

My how indoctinated you are! It's too bad you have been so sucked in by all the lies.


182 posted on 01/13/2005 12:23:10 PM PST by gidget7 (God Bless America, and our President George W. Bush)
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To: Semaphore Heathcliffe

what's getting shoved down your throat? Is someone telling you that you are going to hell for who you are attracted to? is someone threating to amend the Constitution to keep you from marrying? not letting you adopt?


183 posted on 01/13/2005 12:23:18 PM PST by notigar
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To: notigar

well, don't boys see getting some action for themselves as an even BIGGER turn on?

One would think so, but you would have to ask the guys about that LOL Most guys do think it's a turn on for two girls to kiss, no idea why, but it's (for some) a guy thing.


184 posted on 01/13/2005 12:26:02 PM PST by gidget7 (God Bless America, and our President George W. Bush)
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To: gidget7

"no one ever said that parents abuse their kids."

Oh really? How about this: "How do you know this guy wasn't molesting his sons as early as their infancy or toddlerhood?"

From this thread.


185 posted on 01/13/2005 12:26:18 PM PST by notigar
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To: gidget7
It's too bad you have been so sucked in by all the lies.

And what "lies" are those?

186 posted on 01/13/2005 12:28:26 PM PST by DCPatriot (I don't do politically correct very well either.)
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To: gidget7

I know. But the turn-on isn't the end all. I don't think I've ever met a lesbian who got that way trying to turn guys on.


187 posted on 01/13/2005 12:28:31 PM PST by notigar
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To: notigar

Again, no indication of parent abuse, but abuse from SOMEONE!

More and more we read news of children sexually abusing/molesting other kids. These kids are not born with sexual knowledge, they learn it somewhere!


188 posted on 01/13/2005 12:30:37 PM PST by gidget7 (God Bless America, and our President George W. Bush)
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To: KC_for_Freedom

The only lesson that I get from those type of shows its that the last person I would trust for fashion design is a group of flamers.

actually correction, the last person I would trust would be a girlfriend who insists I take advise from a group of flamers.

As to the democrat party, 2004 sets them as the Democrat ("gay") Party permanently.


189 posted on 01/13/2005 12:30:48 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: notigar
I know. But the turn-on isn't the end all. I don't think I've ever met a lesbian who got that way trying to turn guys on.


You're probably right, however, there is a term well known in liberal college towns, "4 yr lesbian" only during college years. Who is to say some don't remain in the lifestyle? It does indicate again though, choice.
190 posted on 01/13/2005 12:33:08 PM PST by gidget7 (God Bless America, and our President George W. Bush)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Why would someone choose to have another urinate on them?
191 posted on 01/13/2005 12:33:54 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: DCPatriot
Some posts, do not tend to be require a response, as the answer is completely obvious. Not buying into argument is the quickest way to eliminate it.
192 posted on 01/13/2005 12:36:08 PM PST by gidget7 (God Bless America, and our President George W. Bush)
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To: Cultural Jihad

"Why would someone choose to have another urinate on them?"

to alleviate a jellyfish sting? or perhaps on a dare, for lots of cash?


193 posted on 01/13/2005 12:39:30 PM PST by notigar
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To: johnmilken
Do you really think you could have been 'turned gay'?

It's possible.

Some young teens develop a psychological propensity to try crime, such as stealing a bicycle or stealing clothes or a pack of cigarettes at the local store.

If they are successful at committing the crime, they get an adrenaline rush, just as they get an orgasmic rush when having gay sex.

Thus, they try it again and again.

Just as a misguided youth will turn into a hardened criminal, spending his waking hours thinking about crime, so will a misguided youth turn gay, spending their waking hours thinking about how to further gay relationships.

Much of it is sex driven initially, I believe. If a person gets their rocks off enough times, whether by a man or woman, they will change their sexual attitudes.

194 posted on 01/13/2005 12:43:22 PM PST by Edit35
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To: MojoWire

There again, while the desire may not be a choice ie: to choose to desire, acting on that desire IS a choice.


195 posted on 01/13/2005 12:48:12 PM PST by gidget7 (God Bless America, and our President George W. Bush)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Some people may very well be homosexual by reason of genetics... but most homosexual folks today choose this lifestyle for it's inherent status as victim and the power they receive as a "gay" person.
196 posted on 01/13/2005 12:52:14 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross (Just say no to the ACLU!)
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To: BikerNYC
I think anyone who bothers to think about how they feel about things sexually will come to realize that this is true.

Many of the people who believe that homosexuality is caused by molestation, or who believe that all homosexuals are likely molesters, were abused as children themselves. Hence the urgency and the strong feelings in their posts--their own personal experience with a homosexual was devastating emotionally. It's sad. I was reading one of these threads years ago and a bunch of people came together to admit their own secrets about what was done to them.
197 posted on 01/13/2005 12:53:18 PM PST by HostileTerritory
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To: gidget7
"There again, while the desire may not be a choice. . ."

This statement contradicts the opening post. The studies cited indicate that the desires are what people supposedly have control over -- that homosexuals choose their desires. No one questions that acting on those desires is a cognitive choice. Most conservatives posting on this thread believe that the desire itself is not something anyone is born with.

198 posted on 01/13/2005 1:20:10 PM PST by Beemnseven
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To: notigar
By my own admission, my sexual promiscuity for much of my adult life was sinful, unredeemed. The relative triviality that I was with women and not men has no bearing on the fact that I was living a condemned life. I admit that, take responsibility for it, and am now redeemed from such a lifestyle. No one told me I was going to hell for what I was doing; they didn't have to. But that didn't change the realities of my situation.

My own personal belief about marriage is that government has only a tenuous right to legislate marital legitimacy. That said, any society that legitmizes homosexual marriage is a society in decay. If enough people raise enough stink about their right to marry someone of the same sex, then it will eventually happen. That doesn't mean it's OK in any spiritual or psychological sense. It just means the lunatics have the asylum keys today.

Adoption: same basic philosophy as with marriage. If two people want to adopt, legally they should be able to. But as we are a society in decay, that reality misses the whole point. Homosexuals are by definition dysfunctionally developed with regard to relating. Men who do not know how to be men, women who do not know how to be women cannot be expected to optimally instill a healthy identity in adopted kids.

199 posted on 01/13/2005 1:24:22 PM PST by Semaphore Heathcliffe
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To: Semaphore Heathcliffe

Thanks for your thoughtful reply.


200 posted on 01/13/2005 1:47:24 PM PST by notigar
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