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Copying, content and communism (Bill Gates on Who is a Communist
BBC ^ | Bill Thompson

Posted on 01/13/2005 12:54:36 AM PST by nickcarraway

Bill Gates, Microsoft's chairman and chief software architect, has been talking about the digital future. The other Bill, technology critic Bill Thompson, has been reading between the lines.

Bill Gates thinks I'm a communist.

Not the old-fashioned state socialist concerned with five-year plans for boot production in the eastern provinces, but a "new modern-day sort of communist", the sort who "want to get rid of the incentive for musicians and movie-makers and software makers".

Admittedly, Mr Gates probably does not know who I am and I doubt if he spends a lot of time reading the BBC news site.

But he clearly thinks that those of us who are concerned about the restrictions on creativity placed in our way by the extension of intellectual property law, and those who oppose software patents, pose a serious danger to the US economy and Microsoft's profitability.

Gates made his comment about communism in an interview he gave to tech news site CNet just before he spoke at the opening session of the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas.

It was an interesting aside, since it revealed just how much Microsoft is worried by the growing popularity of the free and open source software movement.

Patent pounding

Microsoft likes patents and protection partly because it has a lot of patents and can afford to employ expensive lawyers to defend them.

And it is clear from what Mr Gates said at the show that he has decided to bet the future of the company on finding lucrative ways to help the content industry - music, movies and games - reach consumers rather than just offering operating systems and applications to those who want them.

That means turning away from the idea that a computer is a general-purpose device that will process any sort of digital content into building systems that enforce restrictions and help rights holders exploit their customers more effectively in future than they ever managed in the past.

It means providing publishing systems to set up online music stores, writing operating systems that allow people to listen to music and watch TV or DVDs on any screen they can find, and ensuring that all of these systems incorporate the sort of digital rights management that provide ways for content owners to 'protect' their property by limiting copying, viewing or distribution.

It is a vision that puts Microsoft everywhere - not just as a software company but as the core provider of every component for our new digital lives at work and home.

It is also a vision that relies on controlling what we can do with the music, movies, games and any other forms of digital content we find on our hard drives.

Business software and commercial systems remain important, of course, partly because Office and other tools make a lot of money, but also because the technology we will be using in our homes is only the end point of a sophisticated and incredibly complex chain of integrated components.

Xbox Live, for example, is not just about the console in someone's living room, but relies on the network and a customer management service to let people sign up and pay.

It also needs a massive server farm to host the games in progress and let players communicate.

And setting up an online music store is a major e-commerce undertaking, even once you have sorted out the rights issues with the record companies.

Tough talk

It would be easy to dismiss this as just another unreachable aspiration from an egomaniacal geek, but we should not forget just how powerful Microsoft can be.

In his CNet interview Gates defended Internet Explorer against the increasingly popular Firefox browser, arguing that many people will have both IE and Firefox on their computers and will use both.

And when he was asked if Microsoft would lose to Firefox he said "people who underestimated us there in the past lived to regret that".

Those of us who remember the browser wars, when Microsoft used its market dominance to undermine Netscape, know just what he means.

So while Linux, Firefox and even Apple may look like threats at the moment, we should not forget that Microsoft is big enough to make serious mistakes, retreat and then come back having learned its lessons.

In the mid 1990's it tried and failed to persuade US cable companies to run a version of Windows on set top boxes, believing that it would give it access to the broadband content market.

The cable companies did not like what Microsoft was trying to do and did not trust its software, and the plan failed.

But now cable companies like SBC Communications are running the latest version of the same software, and Microsoft's IPTV (Internet Protocol Television) work is beginning to take off.

It's the same with mobile phones. The first Windows smartphone, the SPV, was universally derided as buggy and unusable, but now it claims 61 operators in 28 countries are using the latest version.

And of course the second-generation Xbox will combine console gaming with home entertainment, network connectivity and many other functions.

If Microsoft has decided that the future lies with the content owners, using the increasingly restrictive laws on intellectual property to build and safeguard its markets, rather than with the hardware providers who are capable of building PCs, hard drive recorders, portable music players without copy protection, then we should all take notice.

Or in five years time it could be: "Where do you want to go today? - but get permission from Microsoft first".

Bill Thompson is a regular commentator on the BBC World Service programme Go Digital.


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To: KwasiOwusu
As far as China is concerned, Windows IS open-source software. Microsoft started giving their top-secret source code to China's Communist government years ago. It shows that Bill Gates would sell his mother or betray his country to make a buck.

Now let's check the latest news from the country you claim does not have a Communist economy -

Joint venture cigarette factories ruled out

   BEIJING, Jan. 13 (Xinhuanet) -- China will not allow the establishment of new cigarette factories including foreign-funded ones, the State Tobacco Monopoly Administration (STMA) insisted Wednesday.

    Speaking at a press conference, administration spokesman Xing Wanli said "the country's current cigarette manufacturing capacity exceeds market demands, and the establishment of new cigarette factories will not be approved."

    Xing's statement comes as especially bad news for British American Tobacco (BAT), according to Thursday's China Daily.

    The global cigarette giant is currently lobbying local governments around China, trying to persuade them to approve the establishment of a joint venture company in China.

    BAT even claimed last July that the Chinese government had approved the establishment of an 800-million-pound joint venture in the country. But this was strongly denied by the STMA.

    Xing added that foreign firms will not be allowed into the nation's cigarette distribution sector either.

    As cigarettes are classified as a special product, the industrywill continue to employ the monopoly system and cigarette sales will continue to be monopolized by the China Tobacco Co, added Xing.


21 posted on 01/13/2005 3:51:06 AM PST by HAL9000 (Spreading terrorist beheading propaganda videos is an Act of Treason!)
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To: KwasiOwusu
I've been in the industry for 25 years. 20 as a programmer.

From a technical standpoint, Microsoft has implemented a totaltarian regime. They maintain absolute control. I've done quite a bit of programming in their environments and it IS frustrating. One can spend their career waiting for the next release.

Open Source is a free market of ideas. Anyone and everyone is free to contribute. The resulting products are more feature rich and robust. The competition of ideas and excellance has lead to the most secure systems available today.

The business model is different between the two. Microsoft requires you to upgrade hardware and software regularly for them to remain profitable. Open Source gives you choice: there are still many Linux 486 servers out there on the internet. If all you see is a US Corporation under 'attack', consider at this point Microsoft probably has more staff lawyers and accountants then programmers on staff in the US at the point. Gates is a democrat and he runs his company like one.

Don't forget: FreeRepublic runs on perl - a language that has always been and always will be Open Source.

22 posted on 01/13/2005 3:58:47 AM PST by DaveMSmith
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To: HAL9000
"As far as China is concerned, Windows IS open-source software. Microsoft started giving their top-secret source code to China's Communist government years ago."

Give it up will you?
Microsoft also SHOWED the Windows source code to the German, Indian, British, French governments and more.
Does that make Windows open source in Britain?
Funny thing is Microsoft started off all this by showing Windows source code to the American government.
So Windows is now open source in America too is it?

You are not thinking things through here.
23 posted on 01/13/2005 4:00:25 AM PST by KwasiOwusu
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To: KwasiOwusu
Give it up will you?

I'm just getting started.

24 posted on 01/13/2005 4:06:50 AM PST by HAL9000 (Spreading terrorist beheading propaganda videos is an Act of Treason!)
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To: HAL9000
"It shows that Bill Gates would sell his mother or betray his country to make a buck"

Come on.
You are getting hysterical.
First of all Bill Gates's mother is dead (may God rest her soul).
And second of all Bill Gates really deeply loved his mother more than most people I know.

# 3, Gates has given more money to charity than any man in history, already, with even more to come (he already promised to give most of his money to charity).
If he is busy giving vast sums away, why would he then sell his mother for the same money again?

# 4 , of course is that Microsoft has already showed their source code to the governments of many countries including the US government, in part to allay security fears about "secret Windows back doors".
That is NOT the same as selling Windows source code to anybody.

Your points are getting weaker by the minute.
25 posted on 01/13/2005 4:09:18 AM PST by KwasiOwusu
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To: HAL9000
"I'm just getting started"

If you call your pathetic performance so far "getting started", you don't really have anywhere to go but down.
26 posted on 01/13/2005 4:10:38 AM PST by KwasiOwusu
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To: KwasiOwusu
# 4 , of course is that Microsoft has already showed their source code to the governments of many countries including the US government, in part to allay security fears about "secret Windows back doors".

China has an active electronic warfare program against us, and many Windows exploits have been traced back to China since Microsoft gave them the source code. Microsoft has compromised the national security of the United States and made the world more unsafe for everyone. It is the height of irresponsibility.

Microsoft also registered and activated server software for the Taliban regime, in direct violation of U.S. law.

If Hitler was around today, Microsoft would be selling their wares to him too.

27 posted on 01/13/2005 4:28:04 AM PST by HAL9000 (Spreading terrorist beheading propaganda videos is an Act of Treason!)
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To: ovrtaxt
Seems to me that open source philosophy is just another contender in the free market.

A lot more than that. When people aren't doing it for the money, necessarily (or maybe just for the fame), as in academia, 'open source' is how things are done. People around the world contribute to the science. It's the nerdly way.

Micro$oft has benefitted greatly from such worldwide open academic research. It's a tasteless, clueless, socially irresponsible mega-corporation, at this point. There would be no 'medical ethicist' employed there to raise the hand and wag the finger and say - hold on a minute. No, instead, this childish behemoth would attempt to claim for itself, and its own distribution, virtually everything published now, and importantly in the past. They would, eventually, attempt to destroy libraries, as libraries themselves out of misguided PC have attempted to do themselves. They would outlaw publishing thousand year old documents as proprietary 'intellectual property' of Micro$oft. The brave new world of Communist tyranny is not found in 'open source', but in megalithic corporations run by egomaniacs who admit no social responsibilty and no check on their unquenchable lust for power.

If you think that's overstated, if you think that slippery slope simply doesn't even exist - try to look ahead, and think again. I think it's a truth seemingly much less credible than fiction. That's how truth is. But consider that artwork hundreds and hundreds of years old is suppposedly considered the 'intellectual property', today, of that museum which claims ownership, as I understand the law. How much further behind can all other published materials down through history be if Micro$oft gets its 'band of lawyers' on the chase? If they don't like the Magna Carta, people will never hear it mentioned again. A particular version of the Bible? Micro$oft no like? Every known copy burned and that version locked away from people forever afterward, save for the brave subversive souls who secret away their copies and meet with others in the underground to study the text. Hopefully, as Micro$oft tries to play Big Brother, I won't be around to see it. Or hopefully, wiser heads will prevail against them. Maybe the free marketplace will have the last laugh on this for-rofit corporation. To say the least, they scare me. I'm beginning to wish there were no Micro$oft corporation.

28 posted on 01/13/2005 4:30:03 AM PST by sevry
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To: sevry
Maybe the free marketplace will have the last laugh on this for-rofit corporation.

It always does, one way or another. It was only a matter of time before Firefox came around. Next on the list is a replacement for Windows itself, which is compatible with existing software.

The market will eventually figure out how to do it.

Ultimately, it will be good for Microsoft too.

29 posted on 01/13/2005 4:39:34 AM PST by ovrtaxt (Are the leftists still allowing us to say 'Happy New Year'?)
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To: HAL9000; All

I note that a lot of software is prohibited from export by us common civilians yet indeed Gates licensed ChiCom with munitions-level stuff. Scary and very interesting in the One World Order scenarios and in considering Gog/Magog of the Book of Revelation.

Much of the Gates Foundation grants has gone to left-leaning stuff including pro-abortion causes. Much of MS's antitrust settlements have been paid "in kind" using published, obsolete software. As re: the foundation, I am on a deadline/all-nighter but opensecrets.org or freshmeat.org should be a good source to verify this.


30 posted on 01/13/2005 4:48:26 AM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (REMEMBER THE ALGOREAMO--relentlessly DEMAND the TRUTH, like the Dems demand recounts!)
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To: Blurblogger
The only good things I can say about Bill Gates is that he has made a lot of people wealthy, and he's been generous in donating research dollars to combat malaria - the most deadly disease in Africa.

But overall, he's done more harm than good.

31 posted on 01/13/2005 4:56:23 AM PST by HAL9000 (Spreading terrorist beheading propaganda videos is an Act of Treason!)
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To: nickcarraway

32 posted on 01/13/2005 4:58:37 AM PST by Bon mots
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To: nickcarraway

What a bunch of losers. Look at this article from the UK:

"Bill Gates may find it's better to be red than dead".

http://comment.zdnet.co.uk/0,39020505,39183282,00.htm


33 posted on 01/13/2005 5:32:42 AM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: HAL9000
"China has an active electronic warfare program against us, and many Windows exploits have been traced back to China since Microsoft gave them the source code. Microsoft has compromised the national security of the United States and made the world more unsafe for everyone. It is the height of irresponsibility. "

You keep getting more hysterical by the minute don't you?
You gotta quit foaming at the mouth and start talking some sense for a change.

# 1, more Windows exploits have been carried out in the United States bt far more than any exploits from China.
Its not even close.

# 2, Windows source code was given to a very very select, very high level' very responsible members of the Chinese government.
Its not been handed over to Chinese hackers.
Please show me some Windows exploits carried out by the members of the Chinese government with access to Microsoft source code will you?

# 3, Microsoft source code has very little to do with American national security.
Knowing the sot=rce code of Microsoft Office or Windows is not the way for the Chinese or anyone else to win a war against the United States..
Meanwhile anyone (including malicious hackers and outlaw countries like Iran) have free access to the open source code like Linux .
I think you should be more worried about open source ceode than Microsoft source code shown to foreign governments under the tightest security and conditions.

# 4, Microsoft is far more responsible than most firms on the planet.
Even the anti-Amerivcan Financial Times has Microsoft ranked as either the most or the next most admired company on the planet.

"Microsoft also registered and activated server software for the Taliban regime, in direct violation of U.S. law. "

LMAO!
Excuse me while I laugh, will you?
The Taliban also used Toyota pickups to mount their machine guns on (so go sue Toyota), Mercedes cars for their top officials (sue Mrcedes too ), PC's with Intel and AMD processors in them, lots of Macs (sure CRAPPLE LOL) etc etc.
Anyone can buy a PC with Windows installed anywhere they want.
Heck I sent lots of Windows PC's to Africa in the past 10 years alone that I bought in Europe.
The American government was the biggest donor of aid to the Taliban> Windows PC's were probably included in some of the aid to hospitals and schools.

You gotta do better than that.

"If Hitler was around today, Microsoft would be selling their wares to him too"


Oh boy.
Now you have completely flipped.
How do I put it delicately? You are not normal.
Your statements keep getting more bizarre by the minute.
Are you sure you are not on something?
You sure sounding more insane with every statement you make.
34 posted on 01/13/2005 6:15:37 AM PST by KwasiOwusu
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To: sevry
"'open source' is how things are done. People around the world contribute to the science. It's the nerdly way. "

Rubbish.
Where is the open source car?
Open source plane?
Even open source garbage truck.
Its not not the "nerdly way".
Its the communist way.
We say that in the Soviet Union before. They ended up collapsing like a heap.


"Micro$oft has benefited greatly from such worldwide open academic research"


#, Microsoft spends more on R & D than nearly every corporation in America.
Overwhelmingly, Microsoft's products are developed in house, costing Microsoft nearly $6 Billion a year for R & D.
If anything, universities are the ones that have benefited greatly from Microsoft's money.

"It's a tasteless, clueless, socially irresponsible mega-corporation, at this point. "

It not Microsoft who is clueless. After all they are the biggest or second biggest corporation in America by market cap.
Plus Microsoft is more socially responsible than over 90% of US corporations, doing more for Charity by far than most forms.
fnything its YOU that is clueless and incredibly stupid for making such a dumb statement.
How old are you anyway? 5?!

"The brave new world of Communist tyranny is not found in 'open source'"

No.
The brave new world of Communist tyranny IS found in 'open source'.


"To say the least, they scare me. I'm beginning to wish there were no Micro$oft corporation."

I am beginning to think you are insane.
And you probably are.
35 posted on 01/13/2005 6:31:27 AM PST by KwasiOwusu
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To: Blurblogger
"I note that a lot of software is prohibited from export by us common civilians yet indeed Gates licensed ChiCom with munitions-level stuff"

"Gates licensed ChiCom with munitions-level stuff"? LMAO!!
Hey, whatever you are smoking, get off it. Quick!
Its messed with your mind. LOL!
The moment you think Windows source and Microsoft Office is "munitions-level stuff", then its time to call in the men with the long white coats.
36 posted on 01/13/2005 6:35:24 AM PST by KwasiOwusu
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To: Blurblogger
"Scary and very interesting in the One World Order scenarios and in considering Gog/Magog of the Book of Revelation. "

You need a new shrink, dude.
You are the one who is really scary, not Microsoft.
Do you see ghosts and spirits at night too?
37 posted on 01/13/2005 6:37:45 AM PST by KwasiOwusu
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To: sevry
The brave new world of Communist tyranny is not found in 'open source', but in megalithic corporations run by egomaniacs who admit no social responsibilty and no check on their unquenchable lust for power.

Right on.

This nation was built by free people who wanted to do their own thing, free from the bonds and restrictions imposed on them by the King and Church of England. The Open Source community's philosophy and background is very similar.... notwithstanding the fact that a few pirates have attempted to pervert OSS for their own gain.

How some otherwise-right-thinking people can equate this to communism is beyond me.

38 posted on 01/13/2005 6:39:50 AM PST by TechJunkYard (my "other PC" is a 4381)
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To: nickcarraway
If these bottom feeders ever got their way, nothing of importance would ever be created again.

He is a commie, btw.

39 posted on 01/13/2005 6:40:36 AM PST by Protagoras (Real conservatives do not advocate government force to attain societal goals)
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To: HAL9000
"The only good things I can say about Bill Gates is that he has made a lot of people wealthy, and he's been generous in donating research dollars to combat malaria - the most deadly disease in Africa.
But overall, he's done more harm than good"

Most of this country, and most of Africa and even most of Asia, especially India and China think Bill Gates is great.
Does what some frustrated, Gates-hating little worm on a bulletin board says, matter? Heck no.
40 posted on 01/13/2005 6:42:57 AM PST by KwasiOwusu
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