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Sale of spanking tool points up larger issue [BARF ALERT]
The Boston Globe ^ | Monday, January 10, 2005 | Patricia Wen, Globe Staff

Posted on 01/10/2005 11:15:03 AM PST by Momaw Nadon

ARLINGTON -- On a spring day, Susan Lawrence was flipping through a magazine, Home School Digest, when she came across an advertisement that took her breath away. In it, ''The Rod," a $5 flexible whipping stick, was described as the ''ideal tool for child training."

''Spoons are for cooking, belts are for holding up pants, hands are for loving, and rods are for chastening," read the advertisement she saw nearly two years ago for the 22-inch nylon rod. It also cited a biblical passage, which instructs parents not to spare the ''rod of correction."

The ad shocked Lawrence, a Lutheran who home-schools her children and opposes corporal punishment. She began a national campaign to stop what she sees as the misuse of the Bible as a justification for striking children. She also asked the federal government to deem The Rod hazardous to children, and ban the sale of all products designed for spanking. Lawrence says striking children violates the Golden Rule from the Gospel of Matthew in the New Testament: ''In everything do to others as you would have them do to you."

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To: Protagoras
To think someone can't be punished except physically is incorrect and shows a closed mindset.

I would completely agree with that statement. I haven't ever read of anyone using it exclusively. Do you think that they are out there? Or did you read something that indicated a poster uses spanking exclusively? I probably wouldn't call it a 'closed mindset' - they are either way-ignorant or mentally deficient...

61 posted on 01/10/2005 12:49:10 PM PST by LearnsFromMistakes (Compassion is not defined by how much of other peoples money you wish to give away.)
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To: dangus
I've never seen such a study. But I have noticed that the parents who hit their children usually have to escalate when the child finds the minor punishment more of a nuisance and then it begins.

Also, children who have been beaten, more often become beaters. After all, that's what they were taught. Also, common sense will tell you that teaching violence as resolution to problems is a poor message to send.

Now please don't put me down as some liberal anti spanking nut. I just didn't need to use it to successfully raise my children. I actually swatted my oldest once. And my youngest once as well. The message about the seriousness of the violation is received well when it is used sparingly.

62 posted on 01/10/2005 12:50:35 PM PST by Protagoras (Real conservatives do not advocate government force to attain societal goals)
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To: Momaw Nadon

"and ban the sale of all products designed for spanking"

Ha Ha Ha! That would be an interesting list to see. Imagine all the things that would have to be banned.


63 posted on 01/10/2005 12:50:53 PM PST by FreedomHasACost
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To: Momaw Nadon

>The ad shocked Lawrence, a Lutheran...

Let me guess - a member of the ELCA.


64 posted on 01/10/2005 12:51:23 PM PST by Old_Mil
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To: cartoonistx
"She's an idiot because she'd rather scream at her kids for 18 years than to spank 'em a few times until they learn to pay attention to her when she whispers. She's an idiot because she insists on defending other peoples kids from "the Rod" while she spoils her own by raising them without it."

You call her an idiot because you assume that since she doesn't spank her kids, she screams at and spoils them?

I don't like her trying to make it illegal either, but these things you conclude...
65 posted on 01/10/2005 12:52:02 PM PST by Trinity_Tx (Most of our so-called reasoning consists in finding arguments for going on believin as we already do)
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To: LearnsFromMistakes
I haven't ever read of anyone using it exclusively. Do you think that they are out there?

One poster said other forms were ineffective.

66 posted on 01/10/2005 12:52:05 PM PST by Protagoras (Real conservatives do not advocate government force to attain societal goals)
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To: Owl_Eagle

LOL


67 posted on 01/10/2005 12:53:32 PM PST by BJungNan (Did you call your congressmen to tell them to stop funding the ACLU? 202 224 3121)
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To: Protagoras

"One poster said other forms were ineffective"

Other forms are ineffective for certain children at certain times.


68 posted on 01/10/2005 12:54:25 PM PST by FreedomHasACost
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To: Mr170IQ

Excellent post.RAH will always be my favorite author, and of his books, Starship Troopers is the best. The Moon is a Harsh Mistress is also great. Cheers


69 posted on 01/10/2005 12:54:28 PM PST by strider44
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To: MineralMan
"And here's the ad for the thing. I don't mind spanking, but this is out of line, IMO:

"


LOL yup...

That's so far out there it's...it's...
Where is it? ; )
70 posted on 01/10/2005 12:56:04 PM PST by Trinity_Tx (Most of our so-called reasoning consists in finding arguments for going on believin as we already do)
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To: cartoonistx
So she's an idiot because she doesn't agree with your way of raising children? I think this product is sick. My mother did just fine putting me over her knee and using her hand.
71 posted on 01/10/2005 12:57:55 PM PST by wmichgrad ("We must find a way to help the liberals!" Sean Hannity November 9, 2004)
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To: MontanaCowgirlCop

I don't doubt it. And I have indicated it is sometimes called for. Everyone needs to do what they think is right as far as spanking are concerned. Also, Spanking and beating are two different things.


72 posted on 01/10/2005 12:59:52 PM PST by Protagoras (Real conservatives do not advocate government force to attain societal goals)
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To: Trinity_Tx

"That's so far out there it's...it's...
"

What bothers me is that so many people here just seemed to think this thing was OK, without really finding out what it is.

It's a whip. It even has a "cushioned handle" for the user's comfort. While a spanking may be necessary from time to time, getting whipped by this ugly tool is not.

Given the diameter of it, I guarantee that it would leave nasty welts on the child's skin. I know one thing for sure: If I ever saw someone using "the Rod" on a child, that person would have to use it on me next, because I'd take it from them immediately.

A spanking's one thing. Whipping a child with this purpose-built whip is another thing altogether.

To the rest on the thread: Sorry, all you spanking fans. Did you all look at this thing? Are you still in favor of it?


73 posted on 01/10/2005 1:01:50 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Mr170IQ

that passage from 'Starship Troopers' probably drives the lib/stealth-commies nuts!!


74 posted on 01/10/2005 1:03:40 PM PST by NoClones
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To: Protagoras

So, did you look at the photo and the ad for "The Rod?" It's a whip...nothing more and nothing less. Are you OK with using a whip on a child? I'm sure not, and I'm in favor of spanking, when necessary.

This thing will land its user in jail if they get caught. I guarantee it.


75 posted on 01/10/2005 1:03:47 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: 1L
"I can come close to assuring you you will regret not disciplining your children."

Again, why assume that because she doesn't spank, she doesn't discipline?


Spanking doesn't necessarily mean abuse.

And...

Not spanking doesn't necessarily mean spoiling. Even my parents have come to realize that - after all the years of warning that my sons would be spoiled without it.
76 posted on 01/10/2005 1:05:16 PM PST by Trinity_Tx (Most of our so-called reasoning consists in finding arguments for going on believin as we already do)
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To: dead

"I wonder if you can get it engraved?
"

Probably not, but it DOES have a "cushioned handle" to protect the user. Did you see the pictures of the thing?


77 posted on 01/10/2005 1:05:51 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Centurion2000

I will never forget when I started first grade. Some of the older kids told us that if we had to go to the office, we would be spanked by an electric paddle! We all bought it!


78 posted on 01/10/2005 1:06:05 PM PST by MamaB (mom to an angel)
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To: Trinity_Tx

Apparently, I'm the only one here who has seen and used "The Rod" See #30.

You'd have to work long and hard to harm a child with this.

This item is designed for a loving parent to chastise their child for poor or unsafe behaviour. A evil parent intent on harming their child can do that with anything.

This item is not over the top. It actually works well because you almost never need to use it.

"Do I need to use the Rod?" almost always results in changed behaviour with no further action.


79 posted on 01/10/2005 1:07:40 PM PST by cyclotic (Cub Scouts-Teach 'em young to be men, and politically incorrect in the process)
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To: MineralMan

I agree. I have even read that adults into this sort of thing consider it the most extreme form - not to be used by novices.


80 posted on 01/10/2005 1:10:06 PM PST by Trinity_Tx (Most of our so-called reasoning consists in finding arguments for going on believin as we already do)
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