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Sanctimonious Smoking Nanny
Denver Post ^ | January 10, 2005 | David Harsanyi

Posted on 01/10/2005 10:52:26 AM PST by aynrandy

Hide your smokes and unhealthy contraband. The tyrants of wellbeing are back.

Apparently, the Denver City Council is never too busy to intercede with some good old-fashioned social engineering. And soon enough, smoking in restaurants and bars will be banned.

It's enough to make a holier-than-thou politician - with pristine pink lungs - shriek with delight.

Jeanne Faatz, at this point, is the lone voice of reason on the council. She still believes in trivial things like free enterprise and property rights.

She's sort of an outsider. And although she won't admit it on record, I'm certain the other council members put shaving cream in her shoes, lock her out of meetings and blow spitballs at her.

Don't misunderstand me. Faatz hates smoking. She detests the habit so strongly that she can't stop complaining about it - it causes her to be hoarse and sneeze and makes her stomach coil. She hates being put in this position, protecting smokers.

But Faatz, in contrast to the missionaries of healthful living, appreciates that the ban is not a smoking issue but a matter of freedom.

Faatz loathes sitting next to a smoker in a restaurant. Who doesn't? But she does something extremely peculiar: She gets up, walks out and finds an establishment where she doesn't have to.

"My decision comes from the fact that you have private ownership in business, and they should have the right to target whatever customers they feel the marketplace will give them," she explains. "If, indeed, nobody frequented a smoking establishment, I say, 'Right on, the marketplace has spoken."'

Faatz believes choices and decisions are key in a free society. It's expedient to say, "Yuck, I don't like smoke." But ask yourself this: Do you think government should dictate how a person runs a business? What about customers? Should they be allowed to decide whether they want an all-smoking restaurant or a nonsmoking restaurant?

What if the Denver City Council concluded that cellphones at work should be banned because they have been linked to brain tumors?

Are there justifiable reasons for intervention? Sure. If there is contaminated food or other hidden health issues, government must protect citizens. Full disclosure is imperative. But when the sign in front of a steakhouse reads "smoking allowed," adults should be able to make their own decisions.

Besides, a steady diet of steaks wrapped with bacon is probably apt to kill you a lot faster than secondhand smoke.

We all know what's next. "What about those unfortunate, powerless, coughing employees?" The logical answer given by Faatz is simply that "it is a person's choice where they work." Who is forcing you to work in a smoke-filled diner?

But for the moment, let's advance the argument further: If everyone with a risky job should be protected from all hazards, where would we end up?

You realize the stress a stockbroker goes through? What about the stress a cop experiences? Yes, stress kills far more people than the wildly overstated threat of secondhand smoke. And who can deny the dangers of being a bike messenger, a cabbie or a firefighter?

Smoke Free Denver, another group of sanctimonious nanny types, wants to sabotage freedom for smokers and property owners "to protect the health of Denver residents, workers and visitors from the harmful effects of secondhand smoke."

Well, what about the claims of tens of thousands of deaths due to secondhand smoke?

It's junk science. The University of Chicago's Dr. John Bailar, a critic of the tobacco industry, has produced a detailed analysis in the New England Journal of Medicine debunking the supposed link between secondhand smoke and heart disease. His study is one of many.

But if you don't believe them, there are long lists of smoke-free establishments for you to go to. Enjoy.

David Harsanyi's column appears Monday and Thursday. He can be reached at 303-820-1255 or dharsanyi@denverpost.com.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: addiction; addicts; denver; lowbirthweight; nannystate; propertyrights; pufflist; righttomakeyoustink; smokingban; stench
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To: Gabz

Yes, a nuisance tax on every word, they get sooooo windy trying to "help" us. Maybe 10 cents. That's not too high. And the proceeds could go toward reeducating them to stay out of other people's business (restaurants, bars, racetracks) and on minding their own (losing weight, getting a job).

These nannies on the threads here are liberals. I don't like liberals.


341 posted on 01/11/2005 8:20:19 AM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: Gabz

Well, I don't know a whole lot about PM, so I'd have to do some sniffing around to see why. Not saying you are wrong, but that I don't know much about it, rather.


342 posted on 01/11/2005 8:20:21 AM PST by exnavychick (There's too much youth; how about a fountain of smart?)
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To: Judith Anne

I like it!!!!


343 posted on 01/11/2005 8:22:56 AM PST by Gabz (Anti-smoker gnatzies...small minds buzzing in your business..............SWAT'EM)
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To: exnavychick

I have a meeting this afternoon, so I'm going to take a long, leisurely bubble bath, do my nails, watch FoxNews, take the dog for a walk to practice heeling (he's coming along very well), then head out...

See y'all later. ;-D


344 posted on 01/11/2005 8:24:06 AM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: Judith Anne

See ya later...enjoy that bubble bath...it sounds heavenly. :)


345 posted on 01/11/2005 8:25:07 AM PST by exnavychick (There's too much youth; how about a fountain of smart?)
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To: Gabz

Later, FRiend. ;-D


346 posted on 01/11/2005 8:25:11 AM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: exnavychick; Judith Anne; Gabz
It's nice that you (among others) are trying to keep the debate focused. I stopped participating on these threads because certain people, or their ideological brethren, don't care about property rights. They don't really care about rights of any type. They don't care about the republic, the constitution, or about history. They simply want the power to be able to tell you what to do.

That they call themselves republicans or conservatives is disgusting. I'm a thick skinned type, I don't care that some nameless chuckle-head might be less then polite. But the sheer ignorance and their blind compulsions to push statist directives is very depressing.

Do they honestly think they are fighting for the "Land of the free and the home of the brave" or some Orwellian superstate?
347 posted on 01/11/2005 8:25:40 AM PST by Durus
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To: Durus

Well, I would certainly have to agree that they are definitely questionable. It's funny how liberal so-called conservatives can get when it comes to something they don't personally like or agree with.

I am getting an eye-opening experience, that's certain. :)

Good morning!


348 posted on 01/11/2005 8:28:12 AM PST by exnavychick (There's too much youth; how about a fountain of smart?)
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To: Raycpa
Virginia increased its tax to 35 cents per pack — low by national standards but much higher than the 2.5 cent per pack tax that had been on the books since 1964. And in May, Alabama increased its tax by 26 cents per pack. These increases will not only help ease states’ financial woes, but, more importantly, serve as a strong incentive to reduce tobacco consumption. Studies show that for every 10 percent increase in the price of cigarettes, youth smoking goes down by seven percent and overall smoking goes down by three to five percent.

So, with Virginia's 1400% increase, there should be (140 X 7%) decrease in youth smoking, and a decrease of between 420% and 980% in adult smoking.

LOL! I guess that will realy clear the air in the Commonwealth...

349 posted on 01/11/2005 8:30:48 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (Live from an oil rig in Montana.....)
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To: Mogger

It's about time. What gives smokers the idea they have the right to cause the rest of us to inhale their stench?

The same right an ugly person has to enter a private business -- the business extended an invitation. You're free to refuse the invitation.

350 posted on 01/11/2005 8:35:17 AM PST by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: labowski

That's got to be real annoying to the tree huggers.


351 posted on 01/11/2005 8:41:14 AM PST by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: exnavychick

I understand what you are saying.

In a nutshell, PM is the cause of many of our problems. Because they have the largest proportion of the market share, they have a tendency to dictate to the others, and win........always to the detriment of smokers.

Examples are the MSA, and laws in various states to force the smaller and newer companies to pay into the MSA, even though some weren't even existance at the time the MSA was signed. They refuse to fight smoking bans and are known to support increased tobacco taxes...which they did here in Virginia last year.


352 posted on 01/11/2005 8:43:27 AM PST by Gabz (Anti-smoker gnatzies...small minds buzzing in your business..............SWAT'EM)
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To: Judith Anne

Enjoy yourself!


353 posted on 01/11/2005 8:44:02 AM PST by Gabz (Anti-smoker gnatzies...small minds buzzing in your business..............SWAT'EM)
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To: Durus

They are, as you well state, totally blind when it comes to this issue.

I understand your reason for backing out of these type threads. My main reason for continuing participation is somewhere out there is someone who is really look for both sides of the issue.


354 posted on 01/11/2005 8:48:24 AM PST by Gabz (Anti-smoker gnatzies...small minds buzzing in your business..............SWAT'EM)
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To: Smokin' Joe

ROFL!!!!!!!!!


355 posted on 01/11/2005 8:50:12 AM PST by Gabz (Anti-smoker gnatzies...small minds buzzing in your business..............SWAT'EM)
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To: Raycpa

"The restaurant and bar bans are a done deal. That battle is over. The one smokers need to focus on is the move to claim child abuse when smoking at home around children. But, as they have proved in the past, they will stay in denial until its too late. Denial and smoking must go hand in hand."

Yep and reading certain books will be deemed hate literature and banned from being read around children. Wait (check out the spelling) until reading material is banned, it will happen, the battle is raging in other areas of the world....

I hope you will still be applauding this infringement on property rights when your bible is confiscated and burned!


356 posted on 01/11/2005 8:55:48 AM PST by CSM
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To: Raycpa

"And now they are choosing to stop serving them. Its simple economics. Its more profitable if an area wide smoking ban is in effect."

Ah, the "government intervention in the market is good for the economy" theory.

Go away!


357 posted on 01/11/2005 8:56:57 AM PST by CSM
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To: Raycpa

"The bottom line is do we cater to the convenience of a few for the convenience of the many ?"

We cater to the individual. That is precisely why the blood was spilt to give us individual liberty and freedom. However much you despise these things, that is what they are.


358 posted on 01/11/2005 9:00:54 AM PST by CSM
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To: Judith Anne
I remember that Hillary Clinton was the first one to ban smoking in the White House

LOL! Maybe she would have liked it better if Bill had smoked his cigars, after all.

359 posted on 01/11/2005 9:04:32 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (Live from an oil rig in Montana.....)
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To: Gabz
I haven't seen poor cinnie in a while.

She's probably in "the home."

All the signs were there.

360 posted on 01/11/2005 9:06:26 AM PST by Madame Dufarge
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