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Feds threatened suit over military ballots (Washington State)
The Seattle Times ^ | January 10, 2005 | David Postman and Ralph Thomas

Posted on 01/10/2005 1:39:29 AM PST by Stoat

Feds threatened suit over military ballots

Seattle Times staff reporters

OLYMPIA — Less than a month before the November election, the U.S. Department of Justice threatened to sue Washington state because it was moving too slowly in mailing military ballots overseas.

At that point Washington was the only state that hadn't mailed its overseas ballots.

Questions about military ballots have come up frequently since the Nov. 2 election ended with a deadlocked governor's race. Democrat Christine Gregoire was certified governor-elect Dec. 30 and is to be sworn in Wednesday. But Republican Dino Rossi has made the military ballots, generally seen as Republican votes, a key part of his effort to call for a new election.

On Oct. 7, State Elections Director Nick Handy sent all county auditors an e-mail tagged "URGENT" telling them about a threat from the senior litigation attorney for the Department of Justice. Handy said the state's attorney had been told the federal government "is preparing a lawsuit to be filed tomorrow against the state of Washington."

He said the conflict could be avoided with what he described as "one final offer" from the federal government. The next day he wrote the Justice Department agreeing to a compromise:

Four counties — Franklin, Pend Oreille, San Juan and Whatcom — would mail federal write-in ballots instead of regular absentee ballots so they could meet the federally imposed deadline. The federal write-in ballots included spaces to write in candidates for president and Congress, as well as a separate section to write in candidates for state or local offices, though no office was listed. Military voters could vote for governor by listing that race and indicating their candidate's political party, even if they didn't know his or her name.

Regular state absentee ballots, which list all candidates for governor and other state offices, were sent soon after, with what officials said was time to get the ballots back to be counted. Washington was ahead of a deadline set by state law, but that clearly wasn't good enough for the federal government.

"They just put their foot down," Handy said yesterday in an interview. "When you get a call from them and they say 'You're doing something by tomorrow or we're filing a lawsuit,' it really gets your attention."

All but one county met the federal deadline, Handy said. Island County fell a few days behind in mailing less than 1,000 ballots, an oversight he said was reported to the Justice Department.

A Justice Department spokesman yesterday declined to comment.

 

Rossi's challenge

  Rossi won the first two of three counts of the closest election in state history. Gregoire won the last count by 129 votes.

 

Last week, Rossi challenged the gubernatorial election in court and included a claim of mishandled military ballots.

"Military overseas and other absentee voters may not have received or been sent their absentee ballots in a timely manner and could have been disenfranchised by the neglect, mistake, or error of election officials," according to the case filed by Republicans in Chelan County Superior Court.

Rossi was joined at a news conference by the parents of Tyler Farmer, a Marine wounded in Iraq who didn't get his ballot until the day after the election and was unable to have his vote for Rossi counted.

Farmer's story also was featured in Republican radio ads calling for a new vote. A small rally was held near Fort Lewis last week to draw attention to the issue of military ballots.

But election officials say there is no evidence of any widespread problem with military voters.

Under state law, counties this year were required to send absentee ballots, including ballots for the military, by Oct. 18 for the Nov. 2 general election. It was a tight deadline because the state's primary was Sept. 14, leaving just over a month to print and distribute ballots.

The Justice Department "understands the timing issues relating to our primary and the complications associated with printing ballots to meet this deadline," Handy said in his e-mail to auditors.

Federal attorneys may have understood, but they wanted ballots in the mail sooner. Indeed, the Department of Justice sued Pennsylvania and Georgia over the timeliness of the mailing of their overseas ballots.

The Department of Defense and the Department of Justice sent a letter to Secretary of State Sam Reed on July 21 reminding him of deadlines to stay in compliance with the Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act.

A follow-up fax came Sept. 29. It said that the military's Federal Voting Assistance Program strongly recommends mailing ballots 45 days before the election, which for Washington would have been less than a week after the primary.

The fax also said studies by postal authorities "have established that a minimum of 30 days is necessary for the round-trip transit of absentee ballots mailed to overseas voters and then sent back to election officials."

Washington was already days behind that goal.

"The Department of Justice remains ready to assist you in complying with this federal statute," said the fax from Assistant U.S. Attorney General R. Alexander Acosta. "However, we will not hesitate to take legal action if necessary to make sure that overseas voters are not disenfranchised."

After polling county election officials, the Secretary of State's Office told the Justice Department that all but four counties would have ballots in the mail by Oct. 8, with the rest coming the following week.

That's what prompted the threat of a lawsuit and the compromise of getting at least the federal write-in ballots in the mail.

But counties had no control after that over whether the postal service and the military delivered the ballots in time, said Pam Floyd, the state's assistant elections director.

Some counties took extra measures to make sure military personnel received ballots. Clark County, for instance, sent letters to military members asking for e-mail addresses and fax numbers so the county would be better prepared in case their absentee ballots did not arrive in time.

Military and overseas voters can ask their home county to fax or e-mail ballots to them. They can be faxed back as well.

King County wound up e-mailing and faxing ballots to some military and overseas voters. The county issued a total of 15,289 military and overseas ballots. Of those, 12,694 were returned and all but 220 were found to be valid and counted, according to statistics from the King County elections division.

Unlike regular absentee voters, who must have their ballots postmarked by Election Day, military and overseas voters only have to date their ballot and sign an oath that they voted by Nov. 2.

"There is no reason for a military member who wants to vote to not be able to cast a ballot," Floyd said. "But they do have to make an effort."

Troops cite mishaps Military personnel overseas, though, say making an effort is not always enough

"As far as I know, I would be willing to bet a large amount of money that 95% of the people in my platoon, company and battalion did not receive a ballot," Marine Cpl. Ted Lester of Snohomish County e-mailed from Fallujah.

"The other 5% did, but they received them burned beyond recognition and about 4-5 weeks too late."

Lester said that the mail system in Iraq "is a joke" under the best circumstances, that one mail truck was blown up a week before the election and that it was difficult to get information about where to send write-in ballots.

He said he never got his ballot, which he would have used to vote for Rossi.

On board the USS Trenton, Ensign David Mauel of Chehalis said he didn't get a ballot by Election Day.

"We returned to port one day before the actual election and then my ballot was finally processed through our ship's post office the day after the election. Either way, I just assumed that voting was pointless because my ballot would have been received back in Washington state after the election," he said in an e-mail.

Rossi spokeswoman Mary Lane said the system does not appear to work well for military voters.

"Just the fact that we were the last state to get our military ballots out is really disturbing," she said, and unfair to military personnel. "They are in Afghanistan and Iraq dodging bullets and bombs and the burden should not fall on them."

Lisa Cohen, a spokeswoman for the state Democratic Party, said no one has shown evidence of "broad disenfranchisement" of military voters. "Was there some isolated cases? Quite possibly," she said. But she said that most of the problems could be avoided by the alternative methods of voting available to military personnel.

She also said the tight deadline between the primary and the general elections is an argument for moving the primary earlier in the year, as Reed proposed last week.

David Postman: 360-943-9882



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1 posted on 01/10/2005 1:39:29 AM PST by Stoat
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To: Stoat; Libertarianize the GOP

Very interesting!

Another reason to push for the revote.


2 posted on 01/10/2005 1:44:16 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: Stoat

"But election officials say there is no evidence of any widespread problem with military voters."

Well, when the vote goes from 120 Rossi to 28 Rossi to 168 Gregoire the problem doesn't need to be "widespread" to make a difference.


3 posted on 01/10/2005 1:47:26 AM PST by geopyg ("It's not that liberals don't know much, it's just that what they know just ain't so." (~ R. Reagan))
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To: geopyg
Agree...and any votes found after actual election day at any precinct, in any state, should be discarded. How can you lose/misplace ballots? Of course I understand how the dims can manufacture ballots (usually just enough to win, once the number needed is known)!
4 posted on 01/10/2005 2:19:17 AM PST by borisbob69 (Old shade is better than new shade!)
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To: Stoat

Thanks and yeah, I'm mad.

Marummy said it best when she said:

Rossi spokeswoman Mary Lane said the system does not appear to work well for military voters.

"Just the fact that we were the last state to get our military ballots out is really disturbing," she said, and unfair to military personnel. "They are in Afghanistan and Iraq dodging bullets and bombs and the burden should not fall on them."


5 posted on 01/10/2005 2:35:45 AM PST by Josef1235 (Great blog http://josef-a-k.blogspot.com - worth a visit!)
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To: Stoat
I spent twenty years in the United States Military and being a personnelman who worked in the ships office I was familiar with voting procedures as well as the time it takes to have mail go back and forth between the US and remote sites of Military. The problem is the lack of proper preparation ahead of time.. What needs to be done in the United States in all voting districts everywhere is to have uniform lists of voters which can be counted to be legitimate. Every citizen in the United States could easily be given a voting #. His SSN plus ZIP CODEE would be a good start. It is then up to the voter to keep this up to date in order to vote. Once these lists are verified at a certain date prior to an elections they could not be changed until after the election was over. Voters could then easily vote by telephone, computer or by mail as well as at the local polling place. It really is not difficult to come up with a better system once the politicions \ get out of the way.

Squire Eaton
6 posted on 01/10/2005 2:39:35 AM PST by Squire Eaton
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To: Squire Eaton
"...could easily be given a voting #. His SSN plus ZIP CODEE would be a good start."

What everyone keeps forgetting, is that social security numbers, according to the orginal S.S. Act, are NOT to be used for identification purposes.

I realize that the U.S. military has been ignoring this fact (or at least did back when I was in the Navy).

There was a case in California a few years back, filed against the State
for requiring S.S.#s to be divulged in order to obtain a driver's license. The State of California (DMV) LOST.
No longer are California residents required to give their
"number" to the DMV. Thanks to a handful of U.S. Senators, (wa-aay back in Roosevelt's Admin)whom refused to sign and pass the social security "law",
unless the number was ONLY required to be given to one's
1. Employer
2. The IRS
3. Banking institutions, whom might pay one interest

Anyone else asks for one's number, tell 'em, "no way"
(that includes cops---I don't care what they may "tell" you.)
Credit card companies, will ask for it. They can refuse to offer credit without it--that's their choice.
Potential landlords most likely will ask for it (for a credit check),
so that one is hard to avoid, also...

7 posted on 01/10/2005 3:19:01 AM PST by 7MMmag (they always ask, "where'd ya get 'em at?ANSWER"behind the fore-leg, about half-way down the ribcage")
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To: Stoat
"Was there some isolated cases?

Publik skool edumacation strikes again.

8 posted on 01/10/2005 4:07:14 AM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: geopyg
"Well, when the vote goes from 120 Rossi to 28 Rossi to 168 Gregoire the problem doesn't need to be "widespread" to make a difference."

Oh, it's better than that. It went from 261 Rossi to 42 Rossi to 129 Gregoire, with more uncounted ballots being discovered nine separate times by Democrat-vote-rich King County. Interesting that every break went for Gregoire and she gained votes while Rossi lost votes in the manual recount in King County.

9 posted on 01/10/2005 4:42:22 AM PST by SW6906
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To: 7MMmag
Interesting, the state of Washington requires your Social Security number if you want to get a fishing or hunting license. It is used to check a database for deadbeat dads.

We've already gone down that slippery slope in WA state. If you refuse, they don't issue you a license.

10 posted on 01/10/2005 4:46:12 AM PST by SW6906
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To: Stoat
The federal write-in ballots included spaces to write in candidates for president and Congress, as well as a separate section to write in candidates for state or local offices, though no office was listed. Military voters could vote for governor by listing that race and indicating their candidate's political party, even if they didn't know his or her name.

So, basically, military personnel were sent a piece of scratch paper and instructed to fill it in.

But election officials say there is no evidence of any widespread problem with military voters.

Yeah, the fact that military "ballots" were sent out late and Washington not being a big military state supports that statement.

</sarcasm>

11 posted on 01/10/2005 5:24:39 AM PST by randog (What the....?!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; CyberCowboy777


12 posted on 01/10/2005 5:34:28 AM PST by Libertarianize the GOP (Make all taxes truly voluntary)
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To: Stoat



This should shake up the Seattle MSM and the Democratic Party management team. To say nothing of putting the various state court judges on notice that what they do had better be well thought out if they don't want to be embarised in federal court.


13 posted on 01/10/2005 7:50:21 AM PST by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: Robert357

The plot thickens.


14 posted on 01/10/2005 8:33:59 AM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Christine Fraudoire is not my governoire.)
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To: Stoat

Island County --- the home of the Naval Air Station at Oak Harbor on Whidbey Island. My daughter and son-in-law live there. Solid GOP support. Of course the ballots would be sent there late.


15 posted on 01/10/2005 8:38:43 AM PST by doug from upland (THE RED STATES - celebrate a great American tradition)
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To: Stoat

I assume Washington does not have a straight ticket block.


16 posted on 01/10/2005 8:56:23 AM PST by Meldrim
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To: Stoat; geopyg
SOURCE: http://www.conservativeaction.org/resources.php3?nameid=votefraud

How Democrats Steal Elections - Top 10 Methods of Liberal Vote Fraud

1. Over-Voting. In Democrat strongholds like St. Louis, Philadelphia and Detroit, some precincts had 100% of their registered voters voting, with 99% of the ballots going to Gore. Clearly, multiple voting resulted in extra tallies for Gore in the 2000 election. (New York Post, 12/09/00).

2. Dead Voters. This classic Democratic method of vote fraud goes all the way back to 1960 in Chicago and Dallas. The 2000 election was no exception. In Miami-Dade County, for example, some of the 144 ineligible votes (those which officials actually admitted to) were cast by dead people, including a Haitian-American who's been deceased since 1977 (Miami-Herald, 12/24/00).

3. Mystery Voters. These "voters" cast votes anyway but are not even registered to vote. In heavily Democratic Broward County, for example, more than 400 ballots were cast by non-registered voters. (Miami-Herald 1/09/01)

4. Military ballots. Many of these votes were disqualified for the most mundane and trivial reasons. At least 1,527 valid military ballots were discarded in Florida by Democratic vote counters (Drudge Report, 11/19/00).

5. Criminals. Felons are a natural Democratic voter and they're protected on voter rolls across the country. In Florida at least 445 ex-convicts - including rapists and murderers -- voted illegally on November 7th. Nearly all of them were registered Democrats. (Miami-Herald 12/01/00)

6. Illegal aliens. These voters have long been a core liberal constituency, especially in California. In Orange County in 1996, Rep. Bob Dornan had his congressional seat stolen from him when thousands of illegal aliens voted for Loretta Sanchez (Christian Science Monitor, 9/2/97).

7. Vote-buying. Purchasing votes has long been a traditional scheme by Democrats, and not just with money. In the 2000 election in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, Democratic workers initiate a "smokes-for-votes" campaign in which they paid dozens of homeless men with cigarettes if they cast ballots for Al Gore (Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, 11/14/00).

8. Phantom Voters. These voters don't really exist, but their ballots do. In the 1996 Lousiana Senate race, GOP candidate Woody Jenkins had the election stolen from him when he discovered that 7,454 actual votes were cast but had no paper trail to authenticate them (Behind the Headlines, F.R. Duplantier, 4/27/97).

9. Dimpled chads. Those infamous punch-cards were a ballot bonanza for Al Gore. Democratic poll workers in Palm Beach, Dade and Broward counties tampered and manipulated thousands of ineligible ballots and counted them for Gore, even though no clear vote could be discerned. (NewsMax.com 11/27, 12/22, 11/18, 11/19/00).

10. Absentee ballots. Normally it's assumed that Republicans benefit from absentee ballots. But in the case of Miami's 1997 mayoral election, hundreds of absentee ballots were made for sale or sent out to non-Miami residents. Fraud was so extensive in the race that the final results were overturned in court (FL Dept. of Law Enforcement Report, 1/5/98)."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=votefraud

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=electionfraud

17 posted on 01/10/2005 9:24:44 AM PST by hripka (There are a lot of smart people out there in FReeperLand)
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To: hripka

BTTT


18 posted on 01/10/2005 9:49:12 AM PST by connectthedots
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To: Stoat

I don't think it was a mistake or incompetency that made those ballots late. All of this has been orchestrated. I hope to see a huge turnout at tomorrow's rally in Olympia. My husband and I will be there.


19 posted on 01/10/2005 9:56:54 AM PST by Vicki (Truth and Reality)
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To: doug from upland

I would have imagined that the rest of Whidbey Island (beyond Oak Harbor) would lean seriously left. It's Granola City on the south end (Langley, etc.) - hmmmmm...


20 posted on 01/10/2005 9:59:23 AM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Christine Fraudoire is not my governoire.)
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