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1 posted on 01/09/2005 12:30:14 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne
"Belief in the social, political, and economic equality of the sexes," and realized there was no reason for a person of sense, male or female, to condemn this.

Go tell it to the Muzzies.

3 posted on 01/09/2005 12:34:46 PM PST by rickmichaels ("We'll put a boot in your ass, it's the American way." - Toby Keith)
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To: Lorianne
Feminism: Not Just for Radicals

Islamism: Not Just for Terrorists

4 posted on 01/09/2005 12:36:59 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (Animals don't have Rights - But Man has Responsibilities to Animals.)
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I had a five-year clandestine relationship with a radical feminist. She would always threaten me with horrific outcomes if I revealed her secret.

Hated her politics, but she was a lot of fun.

Everything she had to say basically amounted to bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch . . .
6 posted on 01/09/2005 12:45:06 PM PST by Beckwith (John, you said I was going to be the First Lady. As of now, you're on the couch.)
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To: Lorianne

and sadly ANYBODY who wants to go to law school CAN at some ACREDITED law school in this nation.

There are now more law school first years seats nationaly, than there are applicants to become lawyers.


7 posted on 01/09/2005 12:46:49 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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Amy Richards.... active in the third wave movement. ___________________________________________________________

If this is the same gal I think it is, I would think she's more of a poster girl for a NOW type feminist, instead.

13 posted on 01/09/2005 1:08:25 PM PST by exnavychick (There's too much youth; how about a fountain of smart.)
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To: Lorianne; rickmichaels; Irish_Thatcherite; Blood of Tyrants; Beckwith; longtermmemmory; ...

Sounds good to me. I have noticed that like leftist and democrat politics in general. Radical feminism ruthlessly enforces absolute obedience to party-line orthodoxy and therefore can only grow more radical and exclusive (and smaller and sclerotic). This is part and parcel of why the dems are being dominated by an ever-narrowing and fanatical "base." Contrasted to the "big tent" of the republicans, so well illustrated by the inclusion of Rudy, Arnold and Zell speaking at the '04 convention. There is no reason why feminism per se has to mean man-hating, marriage-denigrating, abortion, lesbianism, wiccan-worshipping, etc. A hideously snobbish institution that, while it may profess sisterhood for all, really only gives a damn about educated, upper-crust, urban career gals and that sells it's soul to any politician who will pay them, er, lip service. The Independent Women's Forum has gone to considerable lengths explaining how their reflexively statist attitudes are formed because, being militantly childless, they look to the nanny state to care for them in their dotage. There is no mystery as to why single women vote dem.

I would very much like to see the rise of a feminist movement that does not see the universe as a brutalist, zero-sum entity where boys and girls are locked in a Hobbesian struggle for hiring and promotion, taxpayer swag, child custody and government enforced quotas and bennies in all imaginable areas of existence. A family-friendly, marriage-positive (as opposed to only "sex-positive") feminism that concerns itself with the real, everyday issues women face.

Having said that I can't think of anything positive to say about the aforementioned duo:

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"This past May I met Jennifer Baumgardner and Amy Richards, two women who are active in the third wave movement. They were Dartmouth's "Visionaries in Residence," brought here by the Center for Women and Gender. Politically, I disagree with these women on many issues. However, I have always admired their enthusiasm and dedication to equality for women. Ms. Baumgardner and Ms. Richards autographed my copy of their book Manifesta: Young Women, Feminism and the Future. Their message to me was: "Here's to making feminism your own."
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I've looked over "Manifesta" and it is a trite, shallow, faux-trendy tract trying desperately to polish up the moldy old turd of "third-wave" feminism to sell to Gen-X & Y. It flails about unevenly and, as stated previously, seems written with no effort to appeal to women outside the rarefied "Cosmo-girl" demographic. "Visionaries in Residence" or no, I really think the fame and talk-show appeal of those two is of the type that [not to put to fine a point on it] will only last until the crow's feet start to appear.

Where's your radical feminist ex-girlfriend now, Beckwith? Growing old alone in that proverbial apartment-stinking-of-kitty litter, I'll warrant. Or maybe not exactly; there was an unintenionally hilarious article in the local gay rag castigating the media for not mentioning Susan Sontag's later lesbian relationships in her obituary. Perhaps by mistake the author, one Dyana Bagby, let slip a quote from a Guardian interview in which Sontag said by way of explanation:

"'Shall I tell you about getting older,' Sontag told the Guardian, laughing 'When you get older, 45 plus, men stop fancying you. Or put it another way, the men I fancy don't fancy me. I want a young man. I love beauty. So what's new?'"

So she turned lesbo only after the boys stopped chasing her. How glamorous is that? Guess they can't all live it up and then marry a millionare when they turn sixty like Gloria S. did.


15 posted on 01/09/2005 1:29:36 PM PST by sinanju
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To: Lorianne

Remember Amy Richards from a couple months back with the pro-abortion "because I don't want to buy mayo from Costco" fame.


16 posted on 01/09/2005 2:14:23 PM PST by lindblad80
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IMO it's difficult for many younger conservatives, both men and women, to appreciate what the situation was like prior to the "Woman's' Movement" – a lot of the early efforts were over stuff that seems pretty "common-sense" today.

For example back in the early 70s my wife - who was a fashion designer and making several times the average family income - was refused a mortgage unless she could get a male cosigner, back then a woman's income was not counted on such applications, and this was perfectly legal.

Ditto for getting a charge card at the stores which sold her clothes!

A few years later, after the passage of Federal lending non-discrimination laws, all that silliness was over.

Still, every once and a while I ask her:

"Wouldn't you rather have just wanted another generation or two until free market forces caused lenders to voluntarily change their lending policies?"

"Don’t you feel that people think less of you because some meddling government bureaucrat forced private lenders to evaluate your fitness as a borrower according to the same criteria as a man's?"

But for some reason she won’t answer.

Instead just sticks out her tongue at me, and makes rude noises.

Uppity, that girl.


17 posted on 01/09/2005 2:34:35 PM PST by M. Dodge Thomas (More of the same, only with more zeros on the end.)
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To: Lorianne

This article does raise some interesting points.

While certainly the liberal feminists are (to use an old joke) "Ms.-Guided," some of their tenets make sense. While gender roles and differences exist, there is plenty of room -- and need -- for feminine influence. Women, now better educated & empowered, can influence the world in many ways.

There is, in fact, a part of Jewish belief that the advent of the Messiah will come through the women. Certainly, may it come soon, but it seems to be unfolding.


18 posted on 01/09/2005 2:57:57 PM PST by MoochPooch (A righteous person worries about his or her behavior, an extremist about everyone else's.)
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