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What Are Parents For?
Linda Martinez

Posted on 01/08/2005 3:59:24 PM PST by eccentric

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1 posted on 01/08/2005 3:59:24 PM PST by eccentric
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To: eccentric
Do NOT eavesdrop on his phone conversations, even though YOU pay the phone bill. DON'T snoop around the bedroom you provide for him. His right to privacy includes using your property to promote any criminal activity.

Ha. I'd like to see the state try and stop me.

2 posted on 01/08/2005 4:03:26 PM PST by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Pajama Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: eccentric

I wish I had kids ....


3 posted on 01/08/2005 4:05:30 PM PST by Ken522
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To: SandyInSeattle
Something like this actually happened in washington. Testimony was ruled inadmissable because a parent listend in on her daughters conversation.

I consulted my lawyer (due to possible ramifications business wise, for employees) to follow up, turns out it wasn't a biggie.

Either way, my parents knew better then to try and listen in on my conversations or snoop through my room as a kid, they knew me pretty well, they also knew I knew the house inside out better then they did.

4 posted on 01/08/2005 4:10:51 PM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: eccentric

'Child rights' laws are dreamed up by the odious adults who were odious selfcentered kids. You know the kind.....they were the covetous snivelers who were always whining...."but that's not fair, he got more than I did!"


5 posted on 01/08/2005 4:13:20 PM PST by Lindykim
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To: Sonny M
Something like this actually happened in washington.

Yes, we've been following this. It's a misdemeanor slap on the wrist, no biggie; the issue was the other party had not consented.

One of our legislators has introducted a bill to remove the misdemeanor charge for parents listening in on kids. The information still won't be admissable, but that's not really the point.

6 posted on 01/08/2005 4:18:43 PM PST by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Pajama Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: eccentric
What Are Parents For?

To breed new taxpayers. Any other silly questions??

7 posted on 01/08/2005 4:19:26 PM PST by dirtboy (To make a pearl, you must first irritate an oyster)
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To: eccentric

Parents are for children to come home to when they are in trouble. Apparently at any age. We get a Purple Heart Band Aid and do things with learned knowledge the next time around:)


8 posted on 01/08/2005 4:23:28 PM PST by BobS
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To: dirtboy

Trust me I would listen to a phone call, search my childrens's room, read a diary and follow them to and from school if I thought there was a problem with one of my 4. Then dare anyone to say what I was doing was wrong!!!!

I am sick of laws that tell me how to parent!


9 posted on 01/08/2005 4:24:19 PM PST by Mfkmmof4
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To: SandyInSeattle
Ha. I'd like to see the state try and stop me.

Second that.

10 posted on 01/08/2005 4:27:00 PM PST by groanup (http://fairtax.org)
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To: Mfkmmof4

Stick to your guns.

I raised 5 in the days when parents were considered intelligent enough to raise their own kids. I was on very good terms with the ER at the local hospital. Today I would be suspected as a child abuser because I had a few accident prone kids(who doesn't?)


11 posted on 01/08/2005 4:29:29 PM PST by Mears
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To: eccentric
And NO! do NOT get involved with your child's school. College educated and unionized teachers know more about what is good for your child than you do.

OK, now wait a minute.

I have two adult children. I MADE it my business to be involved in every aspect of my children's education. I held an office in the PTO, went on fieldtrips, and pretty much made my presence known. I went head to head with more than a few teachers were only there to collect a paycheck.

My daughter is now a Math teacher in an urban highschool. She can barely get a parent to show up at a conference.

More frustrating that that is the fact that she is a CONSERVATIVE teacher, and knows her MANDATORY union dues goes to liberal causes. That is why she will probably not stay in the profession.

Don't just blame the teachers. There are some good ones out there. Take ownership of your child's education, and you won't be sorry.

12 posted on 01/08/2005 4:30:10 PM PST by LisaMalia (A safe and Happy New Year to our sevicemen and women!)
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To: Mfkmmof4
Trust me I would listen to a phone call, search my childrens's room, read a diary and follow them to and from school if I thought there was a problem with one of my 4. Then dare anyone to say what I was doing was wrong!!!!

I'm with you. Sometimes its unfortunate, but necessary.

13 posted on 01/08/2005 4:30:12 PM PST by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Pajama Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: eccentric

Nicely stated, Eccentric.

I'm in with the crowd that my kid is going to have more problems than he's ever imagined if he crosses me. He's 17 now, (HS Senior) so we've gone through some of the drinking, missing curfew, smart mouth, friends that were unacceptable; the usual parade. After his third warning, I kicked him out, and he stayed at Grandma's for a few days. During that time I took everything from his room; stripped it bare. All he had was a bed, enough clothes to make it through one week, and a desk with a lamp to do his homework by. No clock, no radio, no TV, no nothing. This was back in October. He's still earning back his "perks" and started talking to me after a month. He also wrote me a heart-wrenching letter, apologizing for his bad behavior. He got my message loud and clear.

I owe his 180 to the fact that "it is obviously because you are evil, wicked, mean, abusive, cruel, and uncaring."

He asked DH & I to take him to a college campus tour on Tuesday. I'm thinkin' he got the message that it's time to grow up and get with the program. Some kids get it on their own, some need a swift kick in the butt. ;)


14 posted on 01/08/2005 4:38:26 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: eccentric
Interesting affect it would have, that case. Legally, no responsibility is no liability. Remember, the gov't say that if it pays for something, it has a say in it. Well, that is true for everything. And parents not only pay for their children's direct needs such as food, shelter, clothing, they also pay for the school administrators to keep their jobs. I think it's time to remind civil servants just what their place in life is. And it's below journalists and trial lawyers, just above sex offenders.
15 posted on 01/08/2005 4:43:21 PM PST by blogbat (Blogbat: ein Fahrgeschäft durch die Weltnachrichten)
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To: Mfkmmof4

You are right and millions of parents stand with you.


16 posted on 01/08/2005 4:47:56 PM PST by cubreporter
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To: Mfkmmof4

I'm with you 1000%. I also have a nephew the same age as my son (14) and when I came down on both of them in one of my "random checks" where they get to empty their pockets for possible contraband, he bitched about his constitutional "rights". I offered him a constitutional "left" and that was the end of that discussion. We're an old-fashioned family and he knows better than to go tell his Mom that Uncle Emmett had to offer to whack him upside the head.


17 posted on 01/08/2005 4:49:03 PM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: eccentric
Well, except to support the child in the lifestyle he/she wants and to take the blame for every mistake he makes and every problem he has.

Parenting has turned into an endless nightmare of worry coupled with the threat of legal action against you. Discipline your kid the old fashioned way, you're a child abuser. Try using the new fangled methods, and you're sitting in front of a school board or judge being castigated for not controlling your little bundle from heaven. God forbid you question the curriculum being fed to your child. Of course it's perfectly rational to skip past higher multiplication and division, and plunge into pre Algebra.

Parenting these days is an exercise in futility. Sure, some folks have been able to take their kids and drop out of society before it's too late. For the rest of us, we're dodging trouble every time we turn around.

18 posted on 01/08/2005 4:50:28 PM PST by TheSpottedOwl
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To: eccentric
As a parent of a three-year-old myself, I have to say this trend (which has been going on for a couple of decades now) is really disturbing to me. Not only does the government think it can tell me how to raise my child, but now they are turning the corner and actively preventing me from knowing critical information about my child's life!

I can't give my kid frigging Tylenol to take at school, but she can go off and get an ABORTION without my knowing? What's next? Is her guidance counselor going to take her to the local tattoo parlor? Something is very, very wrong with this philosophy.

19 posted on 01/08/2005 4:52:39 PM PST by transhumanist (Science must trump superstition)
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To: Mears

I know what you mean!! I have a wonderful pediatrician who will tell me frequently I know best!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


20 posted on 01/08/2005 4:52:57 PM PST by Mfkmmof4
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