Posted on 01/07/2005 4:22:14 AM PST by rdb3
I am overwhelmed with sadness over the state of the Muslim world. I am looking at the photograph of an Iranian woman about to be stoned to death in Iran, buried to her waste in dirt to keep her from running away.
A few weeks ago, I read about a 14 year-old Iranian boy who died after receiving 85 lashes for the ‘sin’ of eating in public in the month of Ramadan. Salah Uddin Choudhury has been in prison for one year in Bangladesh for the ‘crime’ of urging his nation to recognize Israel and advocating interfaith dialogue among equals as well as warning against the growing power of Islamists in Bangladesh.
What are Muslim community activists in America doing about their homegrown brutal human rights violations? They are silent.
The picture of the stoned woman has been seen by some Muslims I know in the Middle East and also fellow Americans, Christians and Jews. The first reaction by the Muslims was “what did she do?” while the first reaction by Americans was “How could this happen?”
The Muslim majority here in the US remains silent seeing the outrageous brutal medieval-style and inhumane punishments practiced in many parts of the Muslim world. Americans, who are puzzled by the silence of the so called “moderate” Arab-Americans after 9/11, do not understand that Arabs learned to be silent and indifferent to terror before even coming to America. Generations after generations of Muslims lived under dictatorships and were trained to look the other way when Muslims tortured and terrorized other Muslims. The result is a population de-sensitized to seeing brutality and horror. Too many of them see cruel punishment as normal. Their silence over the killing was not just an insult to America after 9/11, but is aiding and abetting the cruel culture of hate, terror, torture and beheadings.
Arab men, known for ‘machismo’, are doing nothing while watching such horrible injustice happen to their women and children. There is no uprising by Arab women over the inhumanity and cruelty their sisters in Islam are suffering. “She must have done something really bad!” one Muslim woman said to me after seeing the picture. By that, she of course meant having sex outside of marriage. 2000 years after Christianity abandoned stoning as a form of punishment, Islam still continues to practice it.
Even Muslim groups who live with Western freedoms are not making a strong stand to stop this cruel practice. There is a petition being circulated on the Internet by mostly non-Muslim or former Muslim groups to save the life of yet another Iranian woman from being stoned to death. On the other hand, many Muslim women in America, all the while enjoying Western freedoms, are busy covering their ankles, complaining about the French law against wearing religious symbols in French public schools or filing law suits to get their faces covered up on their drivers’ licenses in America.
These hijab-wearing Muslim women expressed no outrage over the brutal murder of Margaret Hassan in Iraq, a British woman who dedicated 30 years of her life to helping Iraqis. How many properly covered up Saudi, gulf state, Egyptian, Syrian or Jordanian women went to Iraq, Iran, Algeria or Sudan, to help their sisters and brothers in Islam as did Margaret Hassan? The answer is practically none. That job was usually left to Westerners who do it out of their Judeo-Christian inspired sense of humanity.
Most Islamic studies professors and Islamist groups in America exercise their freedom of speech given to them by America, but only when speaking against America, Judaism, Christianity, President Bush and Pat Robertson. However, they never dare to criticize their culture of origin and some even still have respect for the tyranny of the old country. They leave the job of ridding the Muslim world of terror to the victims of terror, namely America and Israel. Whenever they criticize the Muslim world it is in the context of blaming America for supporting dictatorships. However, when America attempts to bring democracy and get rid of Arab dictators they turn around and accuse America of occupation or empire building. No matter what America does, they voice criticism. That can only mean they do not seem to be serious about reformation in Muslim countries. They are, however, very serious about embarrassing, criticizing and hurting America.
Many Muslim groups and Middle East studies professors are aligning themselves with the liberal ‘hate America’ crowd in Western academia and media. Three days after the Tsunami in South Asia, I saw an Arab-American leader criticize America’s response as “slow and too little, too late” on CNN. They have the audacity to criticize America and give a free pass to the oil rich Arab countries that should be the first to respond financially to save their poor Muslim brothers and sisters in Indonesia.
Islamism and the old defeated and failed ideology of pan-Arabism is what many Islamic groups in America are advocating. They are silent in the face of Muslim poverty, corruption, neglect of human rights, oppression of women, honor killings and the brutal and unusual punishments such as cutting off limbs, flogging and stoning. They are not using American freedoms as an opportunity to change their countries of origin, but as an opportunity to influence and change America to be like the countries they came from. Their goal is also to keep Muslim-Americans under their control and the control of Muslim world mullahs, sheiks and dictators they should have left behind. How can any one take them seriously when they do not lift a finger to protect human rights in Muslim countries, but are militant in turning Arab-Americans into yet another voting block to influence American politics? They take no stand to protect the life of the Muslim woman being stoned and explain away such atrocities and beheadings while crying ‘profiling’ in America by the FBI.
Wahhabi Islamist groups in the West are dreaming of a day when Sharia Islamic laws that call for stoning women come to America and dominate the whole world. That is why Muslims in the West are not outraged over this picture.
Arab-Americans should reject Islamist groups and become part of the solution and not part of the problem in America. Let the history books say that Arab-Americans were the seed and cause of change in the Middle East. Let us stand behind President Bush in trying to bring about democracy in the Arab world. Let us form active genuine peace groups and reach out to other religions. Let us celebrate the freedoms America has given us by extending our compassion to the victims of terror left behind in our countries of origin. That should be the mission of Arab organizations in America and not the silly anti-American causes they are pursuing with the blessings from the enemies of America.
Arab-Americans should no longer stand silent before acts of terror and beheadings on our fellow brave American men and women in the US armed forces as well. America should never allow the poison of medieval-style justice and morality to penetrate its psyche under the guise of multiculturalism. It is time for America to hold Muslim countries and culture responsible for terrorism. Those countries are waging a two-faced war against the West while hiding behind their terrorists and their sacred veils.
Yes, the silent Muslim majority is the problem. Their silence is empowering not only the terrorists and brutal dictatorships, but all of the cultural, political and social pathologies behind them. Arab- Americans who speak out might be called ‘heroes’ by some. However, speaking out of love and gratitude for America is the duty of all American citizens.
"America is made better by millions of Muslim citizens." - GWB ""
Wrong. At the rate W. is going I might just have to send him another e-mail with some more advice.
"Islam is a faith that brings comfort to a billion people around the world. It's a faith that has made brothers and sisters of every race. It's a faith based upon love, not hate." -GWB""
WRONG again. You know perfectly well he is only saying these things because he has to.
"You recognize, of course, that your statement directly contradicts the points made in, say, #210 above, where Tx Angel seemed to make the point that there's no such thing as a "good Muslim" or that they can't be trusted... so I'm glad you clarified your position."
Muslims in general CANT be trusted. But there are A FEW decent ones. But as I said, around 90% are Islamofascist. And a Muslim who is a good person isnt a true Muslim. Because anyone who follows Islam the way Muhammed wants them to worships satan. As I keep saying, islam is a cult of devil worship.
Those southern churches wouldn't have much use for me, either, I'm Roman Catholic.
No one, especially me, is endorsing the outlawing of dreams, goals or aspirations.
Here's another one you can live by:
False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil. - Plato
Had he made a more bellicose speech, condemning Islam as a whole much of this country would have looked like NYC during the Draft Riots of 1863, except it would have been Muslims, and Sikhs and probably a few Hindus swinging from lamposts and being burned alive, because hatred is blind.
The president sought a conciliatory voice to cool off the country, calm it down and get it focused on the correct path: to destroy the enemy who did this and all of his allies.
In other words, as Nesher says, "...because he has to."
"Wrong. At the rate W. is going I might just have to send him another e-mail with some more advice."
That's got to have him quaking in his Stetsons...
"You know perfectly well he is only saying these things because he has to."
Really ?? Has to ?? Is he sucking up to those few deluded followers of that satanic cult who AREN'T trying to kill us ? LOL
... and another timeless one...
[49:6] O you who believe, if a wicked person brings any news to you, you shall first investigate,
lest you commit injustice towards some people, out of ignorance, then become sorry and remorseful for what you have done.
And he was doing the same thing on October 28, 2003 ?
"THE PRESIDENT: Good evening. Ramadan Kareem. Welcome to the White House. I'm pleased to host all of you, our distinguished guests, during this blessed month of Ramadan.
For Muslims in America, and around the world, this holy time is set aside for prayer and fasting. It is also a good time for people of all faiths to reflect on the values we hold common -- love of family, gratitude to God, and a commitment to religious freedom. America is a land of many faiths -- and we honor and welcome and value the Muslim faith."
I suppose you feel he was also lying when he said -
"As we defend liberty and justice abroad, we must always honor those values here at home. America rejects all forms of ethnic and religious bigotry. We welcome the values of every responsible citizen, no matter the land of their birth. And we will always protect the most basic human freedom -- the freedom to worship God without fear."
"I wish you all a very blessed Ramadan, and may God bless."
What was that thing Plato said about false words...?
You keep pushing for a moral relativistic approach and it's really making me wonder. Where does your pragmatic approach stop...is there anything to defend just on moral and ethical grounds?
Knowing some who've posted here, they'd offer citizenship to the one who off'd me, but then want to fingerprint him and deport him. ;-)
They seem professional on one hand, yet executed so amateurishly. I think they are just well meaning Americans who have no deeper sense of the country's history or principles, and are just dupes of the Islamofascists. Still, if they want to attack the Constitution and our foundations, they are just as dangerous.
Snippet from Jihad by By: Abdullah Al Araby
WHAT ABOUT ALL THE MUSLIMS LIVING IN AMERICA?
Of course not all the Muslims here are terrorists. Most Muslims living in America are either nominal Muslims or living just a devout personal piety without the essential political dimension of orthodox Islam, and are certainly not bent on terrorist actions. Many Muslims do not want the violence. They are people with a better moral code than Muhammad. But they are saddled with a system that has a spiritual force behind it, and violence as a systemic root. To be a Muslim is to be aligned with the same satanic spirit that choked and influenced Muhammad in the cave, the same spirit that caused Muhammad to wage war upon and massacre those that rejected him, the same spirit that caused Muhammad to teach his followers to continue to do the same. Not all Muslims are terrorists, but the fundamental, orthodox Muslims will teach and pressure the nominal Muslims towards obeying Muhammad’s commands to establish the rule of Islam, if necessary including the use of violence. Nominal Muslims only need to awaken to the actual call of the Quran, Hadith, and Sira, to violence for Islam’s sake. More and more they are awakening, and their violence increases. So, I ask the peace loving Muslim, “why follow Muhammad?
Do you want to follow Muhammad in every respect – including his commands to violence against those who reject him as a prophet? If not, why entrust your eternal future to Muhammad, if you truly disapprove of the Muslim terrorist actions?” If a Nazi strongly disapproved of Hitler’s actions, I would ask him, “why follow Hitler?” If you truly believe that the Muslim terrorists were wrong, why follow Muhammad? He did and taught the same thing. A person who chooses to follow Muhammad and trust his eternal future to Muhammad’s word, approves of Muhammad’s brutal actions, and brutal teachings.
Promise of Paradise: He promises Muslims that in the fight for His cause whether they slay or are slain they return to the garden of Paradise (9:111). In Paradise he will "wed us with Houris (celestial virgins) pure beautiful ones" (56:54), and unite us with large-eyed beautiful ones while we recline on our thrones set in lines (56:20). There they are promised to eat and drink pleasantly for what they did (56:19). He also promises "boys like hidden pearls" (56:24) and "youth never altering in age like scattered pearls" (for those who have paedophiliac inclinations) (76:19). As you see, Allah has promised all sorts or rewards, gluttony and unlimited sex to Muslim men who kill unbelievers in his name. They will be admitted to Paradise where they shall find "goodly things, beautiful ones, pure ones confined to the pavilions that man has not touched them before nor jinni" (56:67-71).
Conclusion of Jihad
Islam is a violent religion and it allows the use of aggressive violence to spread its dominion over non-Muslims. The war that Muhammad launched long ago continues, but the stakes are getting higher. America, Europe, and other nations, will continue to be adversely affected by the actions of real Muslims – those that are obeying their god and prophet.
Jesus said "the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service" (John 16:2
I'd say that about sums it up.
"That's got to have him quaking in his Stetsons... "
dont you mean Stetson? Unless he wears more than one hat at the same time.
"Really ?? Has to ?? Is he sucking up to those few deluded followers of that satanic cult who AREN'T trying to kill us ? LOL"
Like Former Dodger said, Bush said these things because we were all in shock and he didnt want riots or hate crimes to occur. He wanted to preserve order and prevent chaos.
And i'm glad that you've finally conceded that Islam is a satanic cult.
"LOL - so now the ones that are born here, and grow up in the muslim faith... their citizenship magically dissipates."
Muslim values and American values are opposites. Islam and America cannot coexist. America is based on freedom, tolerance, and liberty,
while Islam is based on satanism, violence, and extreme hatred.
Therefore, a true Muslim cannot also be a loyal American.
"Does it grow back if they convert ?"
Yes.
"Santa Ria ?"
what is Santa Ria?
"What about the 10-20% who are not trying to kill Gondring ?
Do they get to stay citizens ?"
Yes, because they are not true Muslims. If they convert out of their satanic cult, they will get to keep it.
And RS, before you give me a lecture about the Constitution and the Founding Fathers, remember, the Framers never even dreamed of a cancer like Islam infiltrating American society.
"Uh, oh. His Imam is going to be furious!"
They'll demote him to "infidel status" and summarily behead him, I suspect.
Then why are you promoting INtolerance of Muslims, and removal of freedom and liberty?
And if you deny you are doing this, again, I ask...what ARE your proposals, other than to hurl insults? You seem to want to strip Muslim citizens of their citizenship...is that tolerance, liberty, or freedom?
[Those who don't want to kill Gondring] are not true Muslims.
Then who decides the "true Muslim" or not? Some loyalty oath? Well, naturalized ones do that...but if all true Muslims lie, why don't the really dangerous ones just claim to not want to kill me?
Tell me how you're going to tell who to oppress and/or eject? What if a citizen says to you, "I am Muslim, but I don't think I should kill or convert Gondring"...then what?
Framers never even dreamed of a cancer like Islam infiltrating American society.
Luckily they dreamed of unAmerican repression-apologists like you.
So basically you are saying that it will be required when you pass through customs that you say what religion you are, and if you answer Islam, the CBP agent will either turn you back, or if you show American ID they will confiscate them and turn you away ?
... Where do Muslims who were born here get deported to ?
... and if they say they are not leaving ?
Sorry - spelled it wrong -
Santeria orginated in Cuba as a combination of the Western African Yoruba Religion and Iberian Catholicism.
Are they OK ?
We were all still in shock in October 2003, more then 2 years after 911, when he had them over to the White House for Ramadan Dinner ?
BTW- Here's Cheney at a press conference Sep 29,2004
"but when you look at the writings and the arguments that have been made by the al Qaeda organization, Osama bin Laden and his associates and fellow travelers, they obviously are operating off a very extremist view of Islam, and the Islamic faith. They represent a very small minority of Muslims in the world, obviously."
Are we out of shock yet ?
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.