Posted on 01/07/2005 4:22:14 AM PST by rdb3
The quotes:
"I am in support of the Hamas movement." - Nihad Awad
Hamas: a militant Islamic fundamentalist political movement that opposes peace with Israel and uses terrorism as a weapon; seeks to create an Islamic state in place of Israel; is opposed to the PLO and has become a leading perpetrator of terrorist activity in Israel; pioneered suicide bombing
"I bring to you salaams and greetings from the Mujahadeen at CAIR." (Statement made during a Washington D.C. rally)
Mujahadeen: a military force of Muslim guerilla warriors engaged in a jihad; "some call the mujahidin international warriors but others just call them terrorists"
"Anyone over 18 is automatically inducted into the service and they are all reserves. Therefore, Hamas, in my opinion, looks at them as part of the military." - Ghazi Khankan
He was talking about Israeli civilians.
Actually, I was just talking tough. Looking through this forum more closely, I'm probably more on your side on this issue.
I asked for context, not for the definitions of the words included (I already know them :-)
Then what other context is needed? Awad supports Hamas, which is a Palestinian terror org. Khankan admits to being a Jihadi.
Seems pretty clear to me. CAIR is portrayed as a moderate Muslim org. How can anyone possibly believe that based on the quotes posted? And if they represent moderate Muslims, then it just proves the consensus of the thread.
Here's your burqa.
I see you steal taglines too, RS.
BUT the Christian Churches are not espousing this from the pulpits, and they are not trying to outlaw other religions.
People are not told to convert to Christianity or die.
You can be remarkably confounding at times.
Well, let's see... both sides of the issue here. I can't keep track of who is arguing what here. I thought the question was whether there has been silence about the 9/11 attacks.
If CAIR is not moderate, then it means *even radical* organizations publically denounced the 9/11 attacks. That sorta shoots down the argument that there was silence, eh?
You need to get out more. Take a trip down to Tennessee and you'll find lots of wonderful Christian churches espousing exactly that from the pulpits. Try some Independent Baptist Churches and ask them if the world should be part Muslim, or Pagan, or whatever...or if it should be entirely converted to Christianity.
That's not an exception, but a mainstream view, in many places. Is there any reason to outlaw goals and dreams and aspirations, or just combat actions and means and crimes? I say the latter is more American.
Now, in real terms, are you afraid that Islam is so compelling that enough Americans will convert and it will take over? Is that your fear?
"I see you steal taglines too, RS."
Just borrowed it - it's a good one, I thought it might get you to read it again and think about it - you seem to have forgotten what it said.
How can any one take them seriously when they do not lift a finger to protect human rights in Muslim countries, but are militant in turning Arab-Americans into yet another voting block to influence American politics? They take no stand to protect the life of the Muslim woman being stoned and explain away such atrocities and beheadings while crying ‘profiling’ in America by the FBI.
But in regard to the CAIR quotes, are these Muslim leaders really denouncing terror, or is it lip service? Issuing statements is not really being proactive against terrorism.
Ask yourself what Christians would be doing had attacks been carried out by Christians. They would be protesting en masse worldwide. What do many mainstream muslims do? Chant "Death to America, Death to Israel!", and fire AK-47s in the air.
Why? Because the Qu'ran tells them that terrorism is a great tool. And they can lie to kaffir to further their cause.
As Mohammed claimed that the Qu'ran is a "clear book" (5:15) "easy to understand” (44:58 , 54:22 , 54:32, 54:40) "explained in detail" (6:114), "conveyed clearly", (5:16, 10:15) and with “no doubt” in it (2:1), then why is the Qu'ran so misunderstood by so-called extremists, who are the Muslim majority?
Answer: It's not! It's only misunderstood by apologists who buy into the "Religion of Peace" propaganda.
Bukhari:V4B52N220 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I have been made victorious with terror.’”
Qur’an 8:12 “I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.”
Qur’an 8:57 “If you gain mastery over them in battle, inflict such a defeat as would terrorize them, so that they would learn a lesson and be warned.”
Ishaq:326 “If you come upon them, deal so forcibly as to terrify those who would follow, that they may be warned. Make a severe example of them by terrorizing Allah’s enemies.”
Qur’an 8:67 “It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughtered in the land.” Ishaq:588 “When the Apostle descends on your land none of your people will be left when he leaves.”
Tabari IX:42 “We have been dealt a situation from which there is no escape. You have seen what Muhammad has done. Arabs have submitted to him and we do not have the strength to fight. You know that no herd is safe from him. And no one even dares go outside for fear of being terrorized.”
Ishaq:326 “Allah said, ‘No Prophet before Muhammad took booty from his enemy nor prisoners for ransom.’ Muhammad said, ‘I was made victorious with terror. The earth was made a place for me to clean. I was given the most powerful words. Booty was made lawful for me. I was given the power to intercede. These five privileges were awarded to no prophet before me.’”
Ishaq:327 “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”
Qur’an 7:3 “Little do you remember My warning. How many towns have We destroyed as a raid by night? Our punishment took them suddenly while they slept for their afternoon rest. Our terror came to them; Our punishment overtook them.”
Tabari IX:69 “Killing disbelievers is a small matter to us.”
Tabari VIII:141 “The battle cry of the Companions of the Messenger of Allah that night was: ‘Kill! Kill! Kill!’”
Your quote -
Qur’an 8:12 “I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.”
Full quote from -http://www.submission.org/
[8:12] Recall that your Lord inspired the angels: "I am with you; so support those who believed. I will throw terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved. You may strike them above the necks, and you may strike even every finger."
Yours -
Qur’an 8:57 “If you gain mastery over them in battle, inflict such a defeat as would terrorize them, so that they would learn a lesson and be warned.”
Theirs -
[8:57] Therefore, if you encounter them in war, you shall set them up as a deterrent example for those who come after them, that they may take heed.
Yours -
Qur’an 8:67 “It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughtered in the land.”
Theirs -
[8:67] No prophet shall acquire captives, unless he participates in the fighting. You people are seeking the materials of this world, while GOD advocates the Hereafter. GOD is Almighty, Most Wise.
I guess it depends which Iman you listen to -
lol yeah, you're right :(
OK, so it was Bush. Who cares? That still doesnt make the statement true. Islam does not have peaceful teachings or any of the other nice things Bush said Islam has.
He most likely said these things to prevent attacks against Muslims and signal to the Arab world that we dont hate all of them or whatever.
But he still shouldnt have made incorrect statements.
"You need to get out more. Take a trip down to Tennessee and you'll find lots of wonderful Christian churches espousing exactly that from the pulpits. Try some Independent Baptist Churches and ask them if the world should be part Muslim, or Pagan, or whatever...or if it should be entirely converted to Christianity. "
You cannot compare Christians who are proud of their religion like the Baptists you mentioned to the Muslims. The Evangelical Christians, while a bit zealous, believe that they are helping people by converting them, and they would NEVER want to kill all non-Christians.
The Muslims, on the other hand, want to kill ALL the infidels. Jews, Christians, Buddhists, men, women, children, they even want to kill YOU GONDRING!!!!!!!
They want to kill YOU because you are an infidel, just like the rest of us. They dont CARE that you are a Moosylim-lover.
"That's not an exception, but a mainstream view, in many places."
The Christians NEVER advocate a holocaust against all non-Christians. The Muslims do advocate a holocaust against ALL the infidels. WHY do you love the Muslims so much???
Are you one of them?
"Is there any reason to outlaw goals and dreams and aspirations, or just combat actions and means and crimes?"
Their goal and dream is to kill all of us and convert those who remain to Islam.
"Now, in real terms, are you afraid that Islam is so compelling that enough Americans will convert and it will take over? Is that your fear?"
There are plenty of stupid Americans-remember, 47% of the US voted for Kerry.
And plus, they dont need to convert any Americans. The Muslims multiply like rabbits. You let 100 into your country, in 50 years, there might be 10,000!!!
We cant allow the Muslims to become a majority, or even a significant minority.
http://www.muslimsforbush.com/muslims/index.html
Would you say he's bordering on being an Islamo-appologist ?
Add him to the group that some here would like to have stripped of their citizenship and booted out ?
Are you accusing him of making incorrect statements ( aka. lieing ) to the non-muslim part of the country to ensure the safety of adherants to the "satanic cult of death that isnt even a real faith. ?
Them's pretty strong words to use against a Texan, son...
obviously there are A FEW muslims who are good people, but almost 90% are islamofascist.
There's that word "they" again...in this case, referring to "The Muslims"...
So may I take it you mean every Muslim in the world wants to kill me?
Perhaps that's so. There are many who would kill me, and that's part of standing up for what's right. I'd rather have all of them wanting to kill me than to be a person who advocates the unAmerican approach of treating some CITIZENS as second-class. I've made my choice.
WHY do you love the Muslims so much???
Probably because I was blessed to be raised in America by a good Christian family that taught me to love people even if they are wrong and have wrong beliefs. This family taught me to respect our founding principles, and how they came to be expressed in our Constitution. They taught me that the Constitution is designed to PREVENT a majority from stomping on a minority, so even if a group tries to take over, it is unable to do so without very broad consent.
Let me ask a complementary question....why do you hate America's principles so much?
Are you one of them?
No, I am not. And as you mentioned in broad terms, I will say specifically that I know that makes me hated and a target of at least some Muslims. Yet I will fight for fairness and against bigotry regardless.
Their goal and dream is to kill all of us and convert those who remain to Islam.
"Their"... well, I think that some have a goal and dream of coverting us and then killing those who remain...but the fact is, we in America don't arrest people or punish them based on what they covet. [Sorry, I'm not going to post another Ann Coulter pic here...]
And plus, they dont need to convert any Americans. The Muslims multiply like rabbits. You let 100 into your country, in 50 years, there might be 10,000!!!
We cant allow the Muslims to become a majority, or even a significant minority.
Wow, you know, that is EXACTLY the argument that was made against Catholics... It was even part of political platforms because "you can't trust the loyalty of those Catholics, since they are more loyal to the Pope than to the country"...
So...if this is your fear, why would you intentionally weaken the Constitution, the document that holds the protections against the takeover of our system??? Your approach is very illogical, unless you are hoping America falls.
"obviously there are A FEW muslims who are good people"
"America is made better by millions of Muslim citizens." - GWB
But even that weasling dosen't explain his praise and good words for the "satanic cult of death"
"Islam is a faith that brings comfort to a billion people around the world. It's a faith that has made brothers and sisters of every race. It's a faith based upon love, not hate." -GWB
obviously there are A FEW muslims who are good people, but almost 90% are islamofascist.
You recognize, of course, that your statement directly contradicts the points made in, say, #210 above, where Tx Angel seemed to make the point that there's no such thing as a "good Muslim" or that they can't be trusted... so I'm glad you clarified your position.
By the way, a Christian I just spoke with confirmed this belief: "Those who stay in America should be open to society without melting, keeping Churches open so anyone can come and learn about Christianity. If you choose to live here, you have a responsibility to deliver the message of Christ ...... Christianity isn't in America to be equal to any other faiths, but to become dominant. The Bible, the Christian book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Christianity the only accepted religion on Earth."
So I suppose we can toss that quote out as being inflammatory, eh?
Oh, and I'm not meaning to misrepresent anyone's position. Please clarify your position if it's not how it comes across.
"So may I take it you mean every Muslim in the world wants to kill me?"
At least 80-90%
"I'd rather have all of them wanting to kill me than to be a person who advocates the unAmerican approach of treating some CITIZENS as second-class. I've made my choice."
Theyre Muslim..theyre not real American citizens. Sleeper cells and Trojan horses
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