Posted on 01/07/2005 4:22:14 AM PST by rdb3
"America is made better by millions of Muslim citizens." - GWB ""
Wrong. At the rate W. is going I might just have to send him another e-mail with some more advice.
"Islam is a faith that brings comfort to a billion people around the world. It's a faith that has made brothers and sisters of every race. It's a faith based upon love, not hate." -GWB""
WRONG again. You know perfectly well he is only saying these things because he has to.
"You recognize, of course, that your statement directly contradicts the points made in, say, #210 above, where Tx Angel seemed to make the point that there's no such thing as a "good Muslim" or that they can't be trusted... so I'm glad you clarified your position."
Muslims in general CANT be trusted. But there are A FEW decent ones. But as I said, around 90% are Islamofascist. And a Muslim who is a good person isnt a true Muslim. Because anyone who follows Islam the way Muhammed wants them to worships satan. As I keep saying, islam is a cult of devil worship.
Those southern churches wouldn't have much use for me, either, I'm Roman Catholic.
No one, especially me, is endorsing the outlawing of dreams, goals or aspirations.
Here's another one you can live by:
False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil. - Plato
Had he made a more bellicose speech, condemning Islam as a whole much of this country would have looked like NYC during the Draft Riots of 1863, except it would have been Muslims, and Sikhs and probably a few Hindus swinging from lamposts and being burned alive, because hatred is blind.
The president sought a conciliatory voice to cool off the country, calm it down and get it focused on the correct path: to destroy the enemy who did this and all of his allies.
In other words, as Nesher says, "...because he has to."
"Wrong. At the rate W. is going I might just have to send him another e-mail with some more advice."
That's got to have him quaking in his Stetsons...
"You know perfectly well he is only saying these things because he has to."
Really ?? Has to ?? Is he sucking up to those few deluded followers of that satanic cult who AREN'T trying to kill us ? LOL
... and another timeless one...
[49:6] O you who believe, if a wicked person brings any news to you, you shall first investigate,
lest you commit injustice towards some people, out of ignorance, then become sorry and remorseful for what you have done.
And he was doing the same thing on October 28, 2003 ?
"THE PRESIDENT: Good evening. Ramadan Kareem. Welcome to the White House. I'm pleased to host all of you, our distinguished guests, during this blessed month of Ramadan.
For Muslims in America, and around the world, this holy time is set aside for prayer and fasting. It is also a good time for people of all faiths to reflect on the values we hold common -- love of family, gratitude to God, and a commitment to religious freedom. America is a land of many faiths -- and we honor and welcome and value the Muslim faith."
I suppose you feel he was also lying when he said -
"As we defend liberty and justice abroad, we must always honor those values here at home. America rejects all forms of ethnic and religious bigotry. We welcome the values of every responsible citizen, no matter the land of their birth. And we will always protect the most basic human freedom -- the freedom to worship God without fear."
"I wish you all a very blessed Ramadan, and may God bless."
What was that thing Plato said about false words...?
You keep pushing for a moral relativistic approach and it's really making me wonder. Where does your pragmatic approach stop...is there anything to defend just on moral and ethical grounds?
Knowing some who've posted here, they'd offer citizenship to the one who off'd me, but then want to fingerprint him and deport him. ;-)
They seem professional on one hand, yet executed so amateurishly. I think they are just well meaning Americans who have no deeper sense of the country's history or principles, and are just dupes of the Islamofascists. Still, if they want to attack the Constitution and our foundations, they are just as dangerous.
Snippet from Jihad by By: Abdullah Al Araby
WHAT ABOUT ALL THE MUSLIMS LIVING IN AMERICA?
Of course not all the Muslims here are terrorists. Most Muslims living in America are either nominal Muslims or living just a devout personal piety without the essential political dimension of orthodox Islam, and are certainly not bent on terrorist actions. Many Muslims do not want the violence. They are people with a better moral code than Muhammad. But they are saddled with a system that has a spiritual force behind it, and violence as a systemic root. To be a Muslim is to be aligned with the same satanic spirit that choked and influenced Muhammad in the cave, the same spirit that caused Muhammad to wage war upon and massacre those that rejected him, the same spirit that caused Muhammad to teach his followers to continue to do the same. Not all Muslims are terrorists, but the fundamental, orthodox Muslims will teach and pressure the nominal Muslims towards obeying Muhammad’s commands to establish the rule of Islam, if necessary including the use of violence. Nominal Muslims only need to awaken to the actual call of the Quran, Hadith, and Sira, to violence for Islam’s sake. More and more they are awakening, and their violence increases. So, I ask the peace loving Muslim, “why follow Muhammad?
Do you want to follow Muhammad in every respect – including his commands to violence against those who reject him as a prophet? If not, why entrust your eternal future to Muhammad, if you truly disapprove of the Muslim terrorist actions?” If a Nazi strongly disapproved of Hitler’s actions, I would ask him, “why follow Hitler?” If you truly believe that the Muslim terrorists were wrong, why follow Muhammad? He did and taught the same thing. A person who chooses to follow Muhammad and trust his eternal future to Muhammad’s word, approves of Muhammad’s brutal actions, and brutal teachings.
Promise of Paradise: He promises Muslims that in the fight for His cause whether they slay or are slain they return to the garden of Paradise (9:111). In Paradise he will "wed us with Houris (celestial virgins) pure beautiful ones" (56:54), and unite us with large-eyed beautiful ones while we recline on our thrones set in lines (56:20). There they are promised to eat and drink pleasantly for what they did (56:19). He also promises "boys like hidden pearls" (56:24) and "youth never altering in age like scattered pearls" (for those who have paedophiliac inclinations) (76:19). As you see, Allah has promised all sorts or rewards, gluttony and unlimited sex to Muslim men who kill unbelievers in his name. They will be admitted to Paradise where they shall find "goodly things, beautiful ones, pure ones confined to the pavilions that man has not touched them before nor jinni" (56:67-71).
Conclusion of Jihad
Islam is a violent religion and it allows the use of aggressive violence to spread its dominion over non-Muslims. The war that Muhammad launched long ago continues, but the stakes are getting higher. America, Europe, and other nations, will continue to be adversely affected by the actions of real Muslims – those that are obeying their god and prophet.
Jesus said "the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service" (John 16:2
I'd say that about sums it up.
"That's got to have him quaking in his Stetsons... "
dont you mean Stetson? Unless he wears more than one hat at the same time.
"Really ?? Has to ?? Is he sucking up to those few deluded followers of that satanic cult who AREN'T trying to kill us ? LOL"
Like Former Dodger said, Bush said these things because we were all in shock and he didnt want riots or hate crimes to occur. He wanted to preserve order and prevent chaos.
And i'm glad that you've finally conceded that Islam is a satanic cult.
"LOL - so now the ones that are born here, and grow up in the muslim faith... their citizenship magically dissipates."
Muslim values and American values are opposites. Islam and America cannot coexist. America is based on freedom, tolerance, and liberty,
while Islam is based on satanism, violence, and extreme hatred.
Therefore, a true Muslim cannot also be a loyal American.
"Does it grow back if they convert ?"
Yes.
"Santa Ria ?"
what is Santa Ria?
"What about the 10-20% who are not trying to kill Gondring ?
Do they get to stay citizens ?"
Yes, because they are not true Muslims. If they convert out of their satanic cult, they will get to keep it.
And RS, before you give me a lecture about the Constitution and the Founding Fathers, remember, the Framers never even dreamed of a cancer like Islam infiltrating American society.
"Uh, oh. His Imam is going to be furious!"
They'll demote him to "infidel status" and summarily behead him, I suspect.
Then why are you promoting INtolerance of Muslims, and removal of freedom and liberty?
And if you deny you are doing this, again, I ask...what ARE your proposals, other than to hurl insults? You seem to want to strip Muslim citizens of their citizenship...is that tolerance, liberty, or freedom?
[Those who don't want to kill Gondring] are not true Muslims.
Then who decides the "true Muslim" or not? Some loyalty oath? Well, naturalized ones do that...but if all true Muslims lie, why don't the really dangerous ones just claim to not want to kill me?
Tell me how you're going to tell who to oppress and/or eject? What if a citizen says to you, "I am Muslim, but I don't think I should kill or convert Gondring"...then what?
Framers never even dreamed of a cancer like Islam infiltrating American society.
Luckily they dreamed of unAmerican repression-apologists like you.
So basically you are saying that it will be required when you pass through customs that you say what religion you are, and if you answer Islam, the CBP agent will either turn you back, or if you show American ID they will confiscate them and turn you away ?
... Where do Muslims who were born here get deported to ?
... and if they say they are not leaving ?
Sorry - spelled it wrong -
Santeria orginated in Cuba as a combination of the Western African Yoruba Religion and Iberian Catholicism.
Are they OK ?
We were all still in shock in October 2003, more then 2 years after 911, when he had them over to the White House for Ramadan Dinner ?
BTW- Here's Cheney at a press conference Sep 29,2004
"but when you look at the writings and the arguments that have been made by the al Qaeda organization, Osama bin Laden and his associates and fellow travelers, they obviously are operating off a very extremist view of Islam, and the Islamic faith. They represent a very small minority of Muslims in the world, obviously."
Are we out of shock yet ?
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