Recounts prove nothing for GOP - but are gospel for Dems? Wow that's really fair...
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Posted on 01/01/2005 8:12:20 PM PST by Nascardude
Seattle's Precinct 1823 counted 343 ballots, which is 71 more ballots than the 272 voters who cast them. This is the single largest discrepancy between ballots and voters in all of King County. Nearly all of the discrepancy is due to "provisional ballots".
I earlier reported on the notorious Precinct 1823, where hundreds of voters are registered with a residence address of 500 4th Ave, the King County Administration Building, Some of these are homeless individuals, who are entitled by statute to register at government buildings. But other "residents" of the county office building are listed on the property tax rolls as owning homes elsewhere in King County, and therefore illegally registered. Dozens of other "residents" of 500 4th Ave voted absentee from overseas mailing addresses. Hundreds of other Precinct 1823 voters give as "permanent addresses" temporary homeless shelters. This is all questionable enough and an obvious potential source of vote fraud. But it gets worse.
As noted earlier (here and here), King County now reports a discrepancy of 3,539 more ballots counted than voters who voted. The manual recount precinct canvass combined with Wednesday's voter list reveals that there are 684 precincts with more voters than ballots and 725 other precincts with more ballots than voters, for something approaching 1,512 ballotless voters and 4,593 voterless ballots. [I'll go into more detail on this in a future post]. Precinct 1823 has the dubious distinction of being the precinct with the largest number of voterless ballots.
These are the numbers of the various kinds of ballots that were counted in Precinct 1823, according to the precinct canvasses of the three counts. The final line shows the number of voters who cast each type of ballots.
Count Absentee Polling Place "Add-on"/ Provisional Total Initial Count 173 60 111 344 Machine Recount 174 60 111 345 Manual Recount ? ? ? 343 Voters 168 59 45 272
In the manual recount, they commingled the various types of ballots so there's no way of knowing how exactly the 343 "final" ballots break down into Absentee, Polling Place and Provisional. What is clear is that there were about 66 more provisional ballots accepted from Precinct 1823 than there were voters identified as voting them. Countywide there are a net of over 500 more provisional ballots than provisional voters.
There may well be an explanation why the numbers of voters and ballots are still so far apart two months after the election -- especially in a precinct full of transients, unknowable overseas voters and illegal registrants. But the explanation will have to be a very good one. The canvassing board certified the vote count three times, with the countywide ballot total increasing every time without explanation. At none of these certifications did the canvassing board seem to care whether or not the number of voters reconciled with the number of ballots. This would seem to be willful ignorance, perhaps criminal negligence. If that is what happened, a number of "public servants" need to be fired, recalled and/or prosecuted.
King County Elections claims it will provide a final voter list by the end of next week. But at this point, none of us should trust them unless a team of observers is watching every step of the process. Posted by Stefan Sharkansky at
I have faith that our "justice" system will screw this up more than even the Rats can imagine.
You know the answer to that.
Agreed. If we start with these revotes the Dems will demand one everytime they lose.
And, didn't Sauerbrey run again in 1998, and LOSE GROUND? Didn't she try to "accommodate" the liberals the second time, and she fared worse? Correct me if I am wrong.
Agreed. No revote. The first vote, without the fraud gives it a Republican victory anyway. Don't give the rats another opportunity to cheat even more.
Democrats favor recounts only when Democrats are trailing in the "final count."
In a recount Republican Rossi would win hands down, just like that formerly handsome Ukrainian dude. The only thing missing in Washington State is that the King County "Rat" machine didn't slip dioxin into Rssi's morning cup of Starbucks Coffee.
In a REVOTE Republican Rossi would win hands down, just like that formerly handsome Ukrainian dude. The only thing missing in Washington State is that the King County "Rat" machine didn't slip dioxin into Rssi's morning cup of Starbucks Coffee.
The 'rats didn't even try to cover their fraud---and they think that everone else in WA is either blind and/or stupid.
What are the chances of a revote taking place, and what can be done to prevent further shenanigans from the 'rats?
"Democrats favor recounts only when Democrats are trailing in the "final count."
Remmeber the name of the book?
"They can only cheat if it's close"
Hardball politics, plain and simple.
The chances of a revote are slim unless Rossi can come up with overwhelming, incontrovertable evidence of fraud or illegal votes - enough to have changed the 130 election margin to his favor - and convince a judge to throw out the election and order the Legislature to hold a new one. Yes, the Dems will try to cheat again, but this time the rules will be tightened up, they won't be allowed to change the rules mid-election and there will be literally hundreds of observors watching their every move. That, combined with the voters distaste with what Gregoire has done will result in a Rossi victory with a wide enough margin that their cheating won't work, IMHO.
That and criminal conspiracy.
The King County machine is organized crime, pure and simple. This fraud has to be vigorously fought since the national democrats clearly had this in mind if Ohio were any closer.
**Seattle's Precinct 1823 counted 343 ballots, which is 71 more ballots than the 272 voters who cast them.**
I really hope they can challenge all this fraud and Rossi will eventually be declared the "true" winner.
We all know that Gregoire is not the gov of WA.
That's a powerful endorsement.
I hope it raises an eyebrow or two among those twits in Olympia.
When is the new governor supposed to take the oath of office?
This is different because there are no provisions for a re-vote in a presidential election. In fact it is pretty much forbidden so the 'rats could screech from now until the next ice age and they would not get it.
In this case, as I understand it there are indeed provisions for a re-vote.
Still looking for one case where Republicans gained more votes in a re-count then the Democrats did.
I thought Bush gained a few extra votes in the Ohio recount...
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