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Airports to ban cigarette lighters beyond checkpoints
Duluth News Tribune ^ | 12/31/04 | BRYON OKADA/Knight Ridder

Posted on 12/31/2004 10:16:18 PM PST by wagglebee

FORT WORTH, Texas - (KRT) - In what could become a major hassle for air travelers who smoke, the Homeland Security Department will ban all cigarette lighters beyond airport checkpoints beginning Feb. 15.

The Intelligence Reform Bill that President Bush signed Dec. 17 orders the Transportation Security Administration to review its banned-items list and to prohibit passengers from carrying butane lighters aboard planes. Legislation stipulates that the ban must be in place in 60 days.

"We are reviewing the necessary changes that the Transportation Security Administration will need to make based on the new intelligence legislation," TSA spokeswoman Andrea McCauley said.

The TSA may also expand the banned-items list to include matches, aviation industry sources have said. No decision has been made, according to one TSA official who spoke on condition of anonymity.

But if a ban is enacted, it isn't clear how screeners would detect matches, short of a time-consuming physical search.

In 2003, former TSA head James Loy determined that two lighters and four books of matches were "an acceptable level of risk" to balance security and customer service. But over the next year, Loy's decision was criticized as too lax.

After all, two U.S. senators argued last year, would-be terrorist Richard Reid was one match strike away from igniting explosives in the heel of his shoe aboard a Paris-to-Miami flight.

Other industry observers have said it is disheartening that the TSA and Congress still must tinker with a security problem brought to light in December 2001, rather than focusing on larger issues such as air cargo security or general aviation security.

"You can point to bureaucracy, point to what you like," said David Forbes, president of Colorado-based aviation logistics and government security analysts BoydForbes. "Once you learn a lesson, you apply it. After three years and a huge taxpayers' investment, we have gained virtually zero."

And some question how effectively a ban on lighters, and particularly on matches, could be implemented.

"In some cases it may be difficult to enforce," said David Stempler, president of the Washington, D.C.-based Air Travelers Association. "Many won't show up on X-rays."

Some airports - Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta and Denver, for example - have smoking lounges or areas that could be equipped with lighters similar to car lighters, Stempler said.

But more likely is that airport areas beyond the security checkpoints will become de facto nonsmoking zones, officials said. Some airports, including Dallas/Fort Worth, ban smoking everywhere inside the terminals.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: airlinesecurity; airports; airsafety; bigbrother; homelandsecurity; lighters; nannystate; pufflist; smokers; tsa
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To: derllak

Ink pens, too. A pen held properly could put a nice hole in someones neck or temple.


81 posted on 01/01/2005 12:01:08 AM PST by FrogMom
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To: Blue Jays
Aircraft are remarkably durable and could easily handle minor damage ever caused by a firearm. In April 1988, a pilot safely landed an Aloha Airlines plane that was missing an eighteen-foot section of its fuselage!

Yes, OF COURSE I know this. See my above remark. Sadly, in the Aloha Airlines case the flight attendant who was not belted down was lost. Blast a large enough hole and someone not belted down will be blown out.
82 posted on 01/01/2005 12:03:06 AM PST by TexasGreg ("Democrats Piss Me Off")
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To: FrogMom
Ink pens, too. A pen held properly could put a nice hole in someones neck or temple.

The pen can, indeed, be mightier than the sword. :)
83 posted on 01/01/2005 12:07:02 AM PST by TexasGreg ("Democrats Piss Me Off")
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To: TexasGreg

GROAAAAaaannn!

Happy new year!


84 posted on 01/01/2005 12:09:56 AM PST by FrogMom
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To: dalereed

They're not stupid. They are evil.


85 posted on 01/01/2005 12:31:55 AM PST by Iconoclast2
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To: Prime Choice

No only for old ladies and business men.

Arabs/Middle Easterners dressed in traditional concealing robes will still fly right through the lines.

We mustn't offend them. Even though the score for hijackers crashing airliners full of passengers into buildings or the earth is: "15" Arabs - "0" Caucasian old ladies or businessmen.


86 posted on 01/01/2005 1:19:26 AM PST by JSteff
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To: wagglebee

Boy, if you think that people are surley now while waiting in the security check-in lines, wait until you tell them that they won't be able to have a smoke for the next 6 hours!

Mark


87 posted on 01/01/2005 1:30:29 AM PST by MarkL (That which does not kill me, has made the last mistake it will ever make!)
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To: RebelTex

When cigarette lighters are outlawed, only outlaws will have cigarette lighters.


88 posted on 01/01/2005 2:01:26 AM PST by Ticonderoga34
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To: Pan_Yans Wife

Is a piece of flint and a small rock legal??


89 posted on 01/01/2005 2:31:58 AM PST by bikerman
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To: TexasGreg
One shot it a window and out the people go .... whoosh!

This is a myth. Tests have proven that bullet holes in the cabin do not cause explosive decomression in commercial airliners.

90 posted on 01/01/2005 2:46:24 AM PST by Jeff Gordon (Now is the time for all wise men to gloat. FOUR MORE YEARS,)
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To: wagglebee
Barn door ... horses gone ... this is sooooooo September 10th.

What Washington (they passed the law ... a law! ... prohibiting lighters, didn't they) and the TSA (totally stupid, awful) don't understand is that the passengers are the real security system now and that time and time again they have proved to be more effective than any sky marshal flying. ARM THEM, ARM THEM I SAY!!! What, pass through the metal detector without setting it off??? Arm yourself, man! Hand out nail clippers, knitting needles, pocket knives, and the oh-so-handy duct tape when you collect boarding passes. That gives the passengers the tools to deal with any problem that might occur. Stop making the passenger load a soft target. Think multiculturally ... imagine the shame of a terrorist put down by granny.

Enough time has passed to show that we're doing the terrorist's work by killing off passenger airlines. Outsource the whole deal to El Al, disband the TSA, and stop this silly nonsense.

91 posted on 01/01/2005 3:51:55 AM PST by NonValueAdded ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good" HRC 6/28/2004)
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To: Calpernia
"Blue tip matches are easy to carry."

Give'em time. The Feds will eventually ban those out of existence as "explosive devices". Some states have already banned "strike anywhere" matches completely.

92 posted on 01/01/2005 3:58:02 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: TexasGreg
Shoot-outs at 25,000 feet sound rather dangerous. One shot it a window and out the people go .... whoosh!

I'm sure this has been expained to you before as being nonsense.

I'd explain it again, but you would only forget again.

93 posted on 01/01/2005 4:12:10 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (There are only two kinds of people. Those who divide people into two kinds, and those who don't)
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To: wagglebee

They'd damn well better have a Zippo rep standing at the gate when people get off or things are going to get real ugly real quick.


94 posted on 01/01/2005 4:12:55 AM PST by ShadowDancer
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To: wagglebee

Whay don't they just ban customers? It would save them a lot of trouble.


95 posted on 01/01/2005 4:35:54 AM PST by shuckmaster
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To: konaice
I suspect there is some intelligence (beyond the shoe bomber) to justify this.

Then why wait until February to start the policy?

96 posted on 01/01/2005 5:09:59 AM PST by Living Free in NH (Where am I and why am I in this handbasket?)
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To: wagglebee; Just another Joe; Great Dane; Madame Dufarge; Gabz; MeeknMing; steve50; KS Flyover; ...

97 posted on 01/01/2005 5:38:08 AM PST by SheLion (Happy New Year to all my friends in Free Republic!)
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To: wagglebee
What about dental floss, it could be used to strangle people?

Along with my ear rings, which could be used to stab somebody to death I suppose...


/sarcasm_off
98 posted on 01/01/2005 5:45:00 AM PST by Sweet_Sunflower29 (~*~* Happy New Year *~*~ May your 2005 be filled with peace, happiness and joy)
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To: wagglebee

Next thing you know we will all be required to just fly naked...that way they can know with 90% accuracy that we aren't carrying anything...

and no, I do not have visual aids to accompany my post...


99 posted on 01/01/2005 5:47:38 AM PST by melbell (There are 10 types of people in the world...those who understand binary, and those who don't.)
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To: konaice
This reminded me of another story.

Osama Bin Laden Lighters popular in Palestinean areas



Another reason why I hope Israel pushes the Palis into the sea.
100 posted on 01/01/2005 5:51:00 AM PST by Bon mots
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