The Tsunami, Satellite Images, BEFORE AND AFTER. AMAZING!! (Warning: Graphic images downthread)

crushelits | Dec. 30, 2004 | crushelits

[crushelits]

A satellite image taken Dec. 29, 2004, shows an overview of Aceh province in the western Indonesian island of Sumatra. The area absorbed the double shock of the world's worst earthquake in 40 years coupled with the resulting catastrophic tsunami
BEFORE: This detailed view of the northern tip of the island was taken on Jan 10, 2003	AFTER: A photo taken of the same area on Jan. 29, 2004, shows the extreme destruction caused by the earthquake and tsunami. On Thursday, Indonesian officials issued a new death toll of nearly 80,000 for that country alone.
BEFORE: This detailed view of northern Banda Aceh was taken on Jan. 10, 2003	AFTER: News services on Thursday reported that pilots in Sumatra had discovered about 28,000 more dead in Banda Aceh while dropping food to remote villages still unreachable by rescue workers.
BEFORE: This detailed view of the island was taken by the IKONOS satellite on Jan. 10, 2003	AFTER: Some officials said there was dismal coordination among the Indonesian military, civilians and foreign governments. "We haven't gotten any help at all, nothing, said a resident who was camped out five miles from the airport in Banda Aceh.
BEFORE: This detailed view of the west of the island was taken on Jan. 10, 2003	AFTER: As of Thursday, several governments had pledged $500 million in emergency aid for stricken areas.
BEFORE: This detailed view of the west of the island was taken on Jan. 10, 2003	AFTER: On Wednesday, the Indonesian military finally reached the Sumatra town of Meulaboh, closest to the epicenter on the massive earthquake. A bulldozer dug a mass grave the size of a swimming pool in which to pile corpses covered only by plastic sheets.

[Kurt_D]

Well... I wasn't expecting them to be THAT graphic.

[crushelits]

The original title of the thread read like this:
The Tsunami, Satellite Images, BEFORE AND AFTER. AMAZING!!

the warning was added after the post from Bryan:

21 posted on 12/30/2004 11:39:29 PM PST by Bryan

[crushelits]

Regardless of what you are saying, the images are NOT,
from http://crisp.nus.edu.sg/tsunami/tsunami.html

I posted the photos, so I should no better don't you think?

[MaryFromMichigan]

Almost too much to comprehend...

I don't what to do first.
Cry, pray, or throw up.

[hyperspec]

Alright. You might not have gotten all of them directly from http://crisp.nus.edu.sg/tsunami/tsunami.html

Some of these satellite images have appeared at various web pages. e.g. photos identical to your photos 8, 9 also appear in:

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/NaturalHazards/natural_hazards_v2.php3?img_id=12647
(NASA Earth Observatory)

http://www.reuters.com/newsPhotoPresentation.jhtml?type=topNews&imageID=1001619653
(Reuters)

Note that they all credit them to CRISP. These are the image set "d" of "Aceh, Sumatra, Indonesia" on CRISP's web page. At least these two images originated from CRISP. Comparing the other images you posted with those on CRISP's web page, I dare to challenge that all of the images you posted originated from CRISP.

Yes, I think I know better than you do. If you had any slight knowledge about satellite imaging, you wouldn't insist that these pictures could have originated from some other sources. If you don't believe what I say, please check with the sources where you got your images from. No matter where you got them from, you are violating the copyright of whoever producing the images in the first place by not acknowleging the original source of the images you posted. This is the point I am trying to make clear. I believe folks at CRISP won't mind people copying their images and showing them elsewhere. It is their intentions to let the public see the pictures, otherwise they wouldn't post them on their web page. But it is also my belief that credits should be given where they are due. Otherwise, you are no better than a pirate.

Another remark: Please don't shout. It is not good for you :-)

[crushelits]

Sorry, but I was not shouting,
I was just making a point.
Some insist that I got the photos from http://crisp.nus.edu.sg/tsunami/tsunami.html

that's just fine, but I did not get the pics from these sites either:

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/NaturalHazards/natural_hazards_v2.php3?img_id=12647
(NASA Earth Observatory)

http://www.reuters.com/newsPhotoPresentation.jhtml?type=topNews&imageID=1001619653
(Reuters)

Anyway, why does it matter where I got them from?What's the point?

[Mamzelle]

Did you see his FR date? Today.

[rockrr]

It is interesting (great relief!) to note that the people in one of the first sets of Tsunami-related threads actually survived. It was feared that they reacted to the approaching waves too late.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/fboosman/2813884/

[Blowtorch]

Thanks for the link. I was wondering about them. God spared that whole family and I am amazed.

[WilliamWallace1999]

ping

[TexKat]

Bump

[Jerez2]

Let this photo be a reminder to all of what is really meant by 'debris' in all the news stories you are reading about the tsunami.

Horrible. Yes. Especially when juxtaposed with photos of happy people on the beach -- curious people at the seawall watching a big wave in the distance -- terrified people running from a HUGE wave towering over their heads. They ran but could not escape. This is what happened to them.

Now I know a tiny bit of the reality of that experience.

Thank you Bryan.

[UCANSEE2]

Imagine being there, having to wade through filthy water, cholera infection spreading through the air and water, the smell of rotting and burning bodies almost too much to bear, to drag supplies to victims, who considered you their enemy.

[John Valentine]

I agree wholeheartedly with you postin that picture here.

People need to unbderstand this tragedy in immediate terms, not just as statistics, and this photograph accomplishes that end. I lived in Aceh for four years, and these kind and openhearted people were my friends.

I am certian that your intention was not to de-humanize these victims, but to humanize the viewers, who too often in these posts abstract all Muslims into animals.

These were human beings.

[John Valentine]

"Who considered their enemy"? What are you talking about?

I knew these people for years and lived among them. They most certainly did not consider me or any other American as their enemy.

Achenese are very open and accepting people. They are not Arabs.

[SpookBrat]

marking

[UCANSEE2]

"Who considered their enemy"? What are you talking about?

I am considering the Asian Pacific Rim countries, all of them that were effected. Many are dominated by Muslims. I understand (correct me if wrong) that OBL was considering ACEH for relocation plans. That AQ has established a foot hold there and in other rim countries.

[John Valentine]

I have been given to understand by friends who have maintained ties in Aceh long since I left my assignment there that indeed, Salafi influence has grown there along with intolerance toward non-Muslims, very unfortunately.

But, I believe that Achenese in general bear the US no ill will, and in fact are well disposed toward Americans.

This tragedy will not help the Islamists at all in Aceh as it will be clear to the people who it is that is helping them in real terms and who it is that is sending them Korans and dim-witted Imams.

[hyperspec]

It doesn't matter where you got the images from. I don't really care where they come from. It does matter if you refuse to acknowlege the original sources. The point is about respecting the rights of others, respect for intellectual properties, respect for copyright, and giving credits when credits are due, not to mention the legal aspects.

And I would like to bring your attention to a clause in the User Agreement of this forum:

"Free Republic is a supporter of free speech on the Internet but we believe that along with the privilege of free speech comes the responsibility to respect the rights of others."

Undeniably, the pictures you posted are great stuffs, no matter where they come from. Don't you agree that whoever produced these images should receive the credits they deserved? You got these images for free (I bet without the knowledge of the original producer). I really can't understand why you insisted on refusing to acknowlege the sources. In the academic world, this is called "plagiarism". In legal terms, it is "violation of copyright". In layman terms, it is called "stealing" or "piracy".

[GOP_1900AD]

Those areas were doubly cursed. It is apparent that the entire area is very low lying, with much development made via levees and landfill. When the earthquake hit, there must have been lots of liquifaction, destroying foundations and undermining roads, not to mention causing failure of some of the levees. Then, when the tsunami hit, the normal protective structures were not at full strength, even in cases where they were not overtopped. The final insult to injury was the return flow. What a mess.