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N.Y. Muslim group held at border
NY Daily News ^ | 12/30/2004 | LESLIE CASIMIR

Posted on 12/30/2004 2:08:16 PM PST by Marine Inspector

Carloads of Muslim New Yorkers, all U.S. citizens, were detained for hours by federal agents after they returned from an Islamic convention held in Toronto over the weekend. A Pace University student said she was asked by a border patrol officer at the Lewiston-Queenston Bridge crossing whether the wire in her bra was a weapon. A white Flushing resident said U.S. officials refused to tell her why she was being held for eight hours.

"It's just appalling," said Jean Tassi, 53. "If I didn't have on a head covering, I would have never been stopped."

A U.S. Customs and Border Protection official said agents acted on intelligence that conventioneers may have terrorists in their cars.

"We understand that most of these conferences are legitimate, but it is our duty, it is incumbent on us to verify the identity of everybody entering the U.S. - even citizens," said Kristi Clemens, a Washington spokeswoman. "I understand their frustration."

More than 30 people had attended "Reviving the Islamic Spirit" convention at the Skydome that was billed as a spiritually uplifting event.

"I refuse to be treated like this in my own country," said Miriam Soliman, 20, a Brooklyn-born finance major who said she was interrogated about her underwire bra.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: aliens; bcbp; bigbrother; billofrights; bordersecurity; cbp; fingerprints; islam; muslimamericans; religionofpeace; terrowar; trop; usconstitution; waronterror; whiningmuslims; wtcattacks
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To: broadsword

muslims are *obligated* to lie to the kuffar/infidel.

arabs are a close second. Worse than lawyers amazingly enough.


801 posted on 01/03/2005 8:20:31 PM PST by sarah_f (Know Islam, Know Terror.)
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To: broadsword

I would reply thusly: "You should have as much respect for my work as you do for the four buttocks that engendered you, and for the peg of life which united them.."


802 posted on 01/03/2005 8:32:12 PM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: Gondring
I fail to see how this is directly relevant to the discussion, but the factual correction was begging to be made, else we continue the revisionism that's trying to get a foothold these days.

I agree wholeheartedly, I was led down this path by the contrarian contingent, the "Sayers of the Law" ("Are we not TRUE men?" - Island of Dr. Moreau)

But allow me on last explanation, perhaps "unconscious" was the wrong word, I meant that it was as natural to them as the blink of an eye, the beat of their hearts. It does not make them "bad" men, it makes them misguided, BUT it was the way things were THEN. Washington may have felt that the ownership of slaves was repugnant, but he did nothing other than treat them well, relatively speaking, because they were a necessity.

Enough. Let's move on. This dead horse is beaten flat.

803 posted on 01/03/2005 8:51:39 PM PST by Former Dodger ("A liberal is a man who leaves the room when the fight starts." Heywood Broun)
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To: broadsword

Hi broadsword.

The ONLY confusion about Muslims and radical terrorist is maybe what percentage are terrorists and what percentage are peaceful pagan worshipers.

I totally think the Muslim religion is a cult based on the moon god. But I want to make the distinction that I don't think all Muslims are terrorist or have terrorist goals.

I don't care at all if they want to worship Monica Lewinsky's blue stained dress as a religion, as long as they don't disturb or attack others in any way.

The fact it is a pagan religion whose dogma was set by a madman called Mohammad doesn't make me believe they are ALL terrorists.

I do believe based on what we see, hear and have learned, that maybe the low number of terrorists within each nation on average might be 40% or higher. Some nations maybe 80% or more.
Those that are terrorists or have that kind of thinking should convert their thinking to peace, or expect to be killed.

I do not want to see peaceful people who worship a pagan god die. I do not think you do. I do think there is a super large portion in each of these Middle East countries that will need killing.
THAT, is the brutal and disappointing issue with the Muslim faith.

The peaceful ones are also cowards for hardly ever denouncing terror. The fact they are so weak, scared or corrupted that they can't oppose terror in a public forum, proves that it is a defective cult.

Kill all Muslims? No!
May we end up having to slaughter great population percentages because of the high infection rate of terror? I am very sad to say quite possibly so and that doesn't put a smile on my face at all.


804 posted on 01/03/2005 10:38:17 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Nesher
Isn't there a part of the Koran that says it's OK to lie to non-Muslims to further the cause of Islam?

Yes there is. And these jerks take that play from the evil book and run with it. Disgusting!
805 posted on 01/03/2005 11:13:32 PM PST by broadsword (The difference between Charles Manson and Mohamed is... exactly... WHAT?)
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To: Former Dodger
Perhaps you have a learning disorder and cannot understand clear English? You insist that I am doing and saying things that I am not doing or saying.

That's the prevalent way of these Islamonazi-defenders. I thinks it's all part of the self-loathing, anti-American disorder.
806 posted on 01/03/2005 11:15:50 PM PST by broadsword (The difference between Charles Manson and Mohamed is... exactly... WHAT?)
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To: A CA Guy
The bottom line is this:

Not EVERY Muslim is a threat to human civilization (at this point) but ISLAM IS A THREAT by its very nature.
807 posted on 01/03/2005 11:20:58 PM PST by broadsword (The difference between Charles Manson and Mohamed is... exactly... WHAT?)
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To: broadsword

Certainly it is a threat by what it says.

The thing is, just as we have Christians who were raised and such, but never go to church or really practice the religon... Muslims have a percentage of followers that are not that into it, so they don't get into the Jihad baloney.

They are not all terrorist, but their cult does grow them rapidly.


808 posted on 01/03/2005 11:28:21 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy

True. I am sure many of them would like to leave that seventh-century nightmare, but don't want to have their throats slit for doing so.

What an evil stinking trap Islam is! What a curse to mankind.


809 posted on 01/03/2005 11:40:16 PM PST by broadsword (The difference between Charles Manson and Mohamed is... exactly... WHAT?)
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To: broadsword

Their culture is the worst.


810 posted on 01/03/2005 11:43:43 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy

It is precicely what we need LESS of here!


811 posted on 01/03/2005 11:46:29 PM PST by broadsword (The difference between Charles Manson and Mohamed is... exactly... WHAT?)
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To: broadsword

They are becoming trouble to most all the world.


812 posted on 01/03/2005 11:47:58 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Gondring
>>>>>BTW, those who crashed the planes were also male. Many other males commit murder each year.<<<<<


It wasn't being male, but being Muslim, that drove them to fly those planes into those buildings. It was their hatred for this Country and it was from the hatred that is written in the Koran that gave them the authority, in their eyes, to kill all infidels.


>>>>>Christians were bombing abortion clinics...let's infiltrate churches to be sure none of those terrorist attacks are being planned...<<<<

IMHO this is not even close to a valid argument. You can't compare a "few" whacked out, so called Christians, who claim to do the will of God by killing those that murder babies, to a cult that orders their followers to kill all infidels.

Do you see the distinction? An abortion clinic bomber is not acting on God's Word but on his own delusions that he is doing the right thing by eliminating baby killers. He does not in any way represent Christians.

Muslims justify their terrorism because it is commanded of them.
813 posted on 01/04/2005 12:53:25 AM PST by jan in Colorado
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To: ariamne
Deported? Really? To where? That sounds like fascism to me.

The anti-Muslim bigots never specify that. I think they'd suggest sending Muslims to Antarctica, in August, while wearing shorts and flip-flops.

Do you really think someone should be rounded up and deported simply because you don't agree with him? THAT is unamerican.

That's what I keep trying to tell them.

Your agenda is showing.

Nope, yours is, as you defend the indefensible proposals of the anti-Muslim bigots.

814 posted on 01/04/2005 6:51:54 AM PST by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: broadsword
Neener neener neener.

Clearly, you can't handle the truth of your position being exposed for what it is and held up for deserved ridicule and scorn.

815 posted on 01/04/2005 6:53:07 AM PST by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: Former Dodger; Cultural Jihad
only ALIENS can be deported,

That doesn't matter to the anti-Muslim bigots; anyone who won't eat pork gets kicked out, no matter whather they're a citizen or not. "Islam is a evil conspiracy, being one means voluntarily giving up rights as Muslims are Enemies Domestic, etc., yadda..."

and last time I looked, it was not against the law to express an opinion.

Sure. And my opinion is that anyone who makes a bigoted proposal to "handle" the War on Terror ought to suffer that same thing he or she proposes, first.

I don't think anyone has stated that we should "kill all Muslims",

Then you haven't read any of the Muslim-bashing threads so common here.

816 posted on 01/04/2005 6:57:09 AM PST by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: Former Dodger
is that a simple situation got out of hand because people caught attitudes and were probably less than cooperative.

When did submitting quietly to Government agents become celebrated here at FR?

817 posted on 01/04/2005 6:58:55 AM PST by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: ariamne
invokes images of Nazis and concentration camps. Which, by the way, has not happened to muslims here in America, despite the fevered masturbatory dreams of you people.
818 posted on 01/04/2005 7:00:47 AM PST by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: jan in Colorado
IMHO this is not even close to a valid argument.

Hits a little too close to home, eh?

819 posted on 01/04/2005 7:02:12 AM PST by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: RS
Well said.
820 posted on 01/04/2005 7:02:26 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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