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FEINSTEIN WILL MOVE TO ABOLISH ELECTORAL COLLEGE - (They'll never give in or give UP!)
USGOV.INFO.COM ^ | DECEMBER 27, 2004 | ROBERT LONGLEY

Posted on 12/29/2004 5:15:20 PM PST by CHARLITE

Amendment would provide for direct popular election
Dateline: December 27, 2004

Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-California) has announced that she will introduce legislation to abolish the Electoral College system and provide for direct popular election of the President and Vice President when the Senate convenes for the 109th Congress in January.

“The Electoral College is an anachronism and the time has come to bring our democracy into the 21st Century,” Sen. Feinstein said in a press release. “During the founding years of the Republic, the Electoral College may have been a suitable system, but today it is flawed and amounts to national elections being decided in several battleground states.

“We need to have a serious, comprehensive debate on reforming the Electoral College.

"I will press for hearings in the Judiciary Committee on which I sit and ultimately a vote on the Senate floor, as occurred 25 years ago on this subject. My goal is simply to allow the popular will of the American people to be expressed every four years when we elect our President. Right now, that is not happening.”

In further denouncing the Electoral College system, Sen. Feinstein pointed out that under the current system for electing the President of the United States:

Candidates focus only on a handful of contested states and ignore the concerns of tens of millions of Americans living in other states.

A candidate can lose in 39 states, but still win the Presidency.

A candidate can lose the popular vote by more than 10 million votes, but still win the Presidency.

A candidate can win 20 million votes in the general election, but win zero electoral votes, as happened to Ross Perot in 1992.

In most states, the candidate who wins a state’s election, wins all of that state’s electoral votes, no matter the winning margin, which can disenfranchise those who supported the losing candidate.

A candidate can win a state’s vote, but an elector can refuse to represent the will of a majority of the voters in that state by voting arbitrarily for the losing candidate (this has reportedly happened 9 times since 1820).

Smaller states have a disproportionate advantage over larger states because of the two “constant” or “senatorial” electors assigned to each state.

A tie in the Electoral College is decided by a single vote from each state’s delegation in the House of Representatives, which would unfairly grant California’s 36 million residents equal status with Wyoming’s 500,000 residents.

In case of such a tie, House members are not bound to support the candidate who won their state’s election, which has the potential to further distort the will of the majority. “Sooner or later we will have a situation where there is a great disparity between the electoral vote winner and the popular vote winner. If the President and Vice President are elected by a direct popular vote of the American people, then every American’s vote will count the same regardless of whether they live in California, Maine, Ohio or Florida,” Sen. Feinstein said.

In the history of the country, there have been four instances of disputed elections where the President who was elected won the electoral vote, but lost the popular vote – John Quincy Adams in 1824, Rutherford B. Hayes in 1876, Benjamin Harrison in 1888 and George W. Bush in 2000. According to some estimates there have been at least 22 instances where a similar scenario could have occurred in close elections.

“Our system is not undemocratic, but it is imperfect, and we have the power to do something about it,” Sen. Feinstein said. “It is no small feat to amend the Constitution as it has only been done only 27 times in the history of our great nation.”


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: abolish; college; directvote; electionpresident; elections; electoral; electoralcollege; judiciarycmte; rats; senatebill; senfeinstein; sorelosers
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Comment #21 Removed by Moderator

To: hope
Ha, the demwit knows how hard it will be for her party to win in the electoral college process in the future.

IMHO, this needs major media exposure....

"Kalifornia 'Rat wants to overthrow fundamental election process...

Talk about a nice solid, oak club to do some beating with....these people are priceless.

And brainless.

LVM

22 posted on 12/29/2004 5:33:05 PM PST by LasVegasMac (Santa's sleigh is powered by an RYR motor.)
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To: CHARLITE
In most states, the candidate who wins a state’s election, wins all of that state’s electoral votes, no matter the winning margin, which can disenfranchise those who supported the losing candidate.

Interesting 'Rat definition of disenfranchisement: in effect, if the candidate you vote for loses, you've been disenfranchised.

I pray that the 'Rats keep this up for four more years (and way beyond).

23 posted on 12/29/2004 5:33:15 PM PST by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington (Patriotism is patriotic.)
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To: john drake
As expected, the dictatorial-oriented Left will seek, once again, to eliminate one of the best systems in place to prevent mob rule from destroying our Republic

I agree.

There were some interesting discussions of this on C-Span back in 2000.

If we get rid of the electoral college, presidential candidates will, in essence, only need to go to big cities to campaign. They will not need to explain their message to a variety of voters.

Without the electoral college, a demagogue can appeal to a few large special interest groups and win. His message will not need to be tempered by the wishes of people outside those interest groups. (This would favor the Democrats, of course, who have a history of appealing to special interests.)

Without an electoral college, someone like Ross Perot or Howard Dean, who has a smaller, but fervent, following, has a much better chance of winning.

No thanks, Dianne.

24 posted on 12/29/2004 5:34:22 PM PST by syriacus (Who wanted Margaret Hassan murdered? What did she know about the oil-for-food scandal?)
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To: CHARLITE

This would be a precursor to another civil war.


25 posted on 12/29/2004 5:34:48 PM PST by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: kaxemma

Small states and rural people would be cut out of presidential election. It would be a tyranny of cities versus the heartland.


27 posted on 12/29/2004 5:36:35 PM PST by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: hope

"Ha, the demwit knows how hard it will be for her party to win in the electoral college process in the future."

Because she knows it's next to impossible to steal the electoral votes the same way they try to steal popular votes, so let's just get rid of the electoral votes all together.

It ain't the system that's broke - it's the demonRATS.


28 posted on 12/29/2004 5:38:26 PM PST by LibSnubber (liberal democrats are domestic terrorists)
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To: speed_addiction

hey i'd be for the thing they wanted to do in Colorado and make the electoral votes count for each region....that way calif would give most of its votes to Repubs since we are primarily Red when it comes to counties as a whole


29 posted on 12/29/2004 5:38:43 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: CHARLITE

Well, then.
We'll just filibuster this little act of tyranny and refuse to give it an up or down vote.
Done.


31 posted on 12/29/2004 5:39:54 PM PST by mabelkitty (Blackwell for Governor in 2006!!!)
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To: CHARLITE

And George Bush wants to amend to the Constitution to say:

Marriage is between a Man and a Woman! - (Going Nowhere)

And some want foreign born eligible for President - so-called Schwartzenegger Amendment - (Going Nowhere)

And some want the Abortion Amendment (Going Nowhere)...

Showboating by Feinstein (Ach Weh!)


32 posted on 12/29/2004 5:42:46 PM PST by Prost1 (Why isn't Kofi Annan in Jail?)
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To: kaxemma
kaxemma said: "What is the problem with electing a president by popular vote?"

Socialism.

Our Founders gave us a Constitutional Republic. This is meant to accomplish limited government overseen by people who are recognized as capable of making the most important decisions affecting our nation.

"Democracy" has been described as "two wolves and a sheep deciding what is for dinner". The evil that a majority will do to a minority has been recognized for many centuries. It is only judicial activism that has allowed many of the evils of democracy to infect our republic. The effects are so widespread and pervasive now, and the public educators so collectivist in mindset, that the distinction has almost disappeared.

How else can one explain the all-to-common acceptance of states deciding by majority vote whether the people shall be allowed to keep and bear arms?

33 posted on 12/29/2004 5:44:39 PM PST by William Tell
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To: CHARLITE

The country would fall apart if it weren't for the EC.


34 posted on 12/29/2004 5:44:42 PM PST by virgil
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To: CHARLITE

Oh, I forgot. It takes 2/3? of the States to pass a Constitutional Amendment.

Care to count the red states.

Dianne apparently has forgotten to count!


35 posted on 12/29/2004 5:45:13 PM PST by Prost1 (Why isn't Berger in Jail?)
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To: CHARLITE

Michael M. Bates: My Side of the Swamp

36 posted on 12/29/2004 5:46:55 PM PST by Mike Bates (Start the New Year with a good book. Modesty prevents me from suggesting which one.)
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To: syriacus
If Dianne wants to have direct election of the president, she'd should change the timing of presidential elections, too.

If Americans lose confidence in a directly elected President in less than four years, there should be some provision to vote him out of office before his 4 years are completed.

The Democrats like to pretend that Republicans are extremists, but Feinstein's goal, in getting rid of the electoral college, is to get rid of moderation.

37 posted on 12/29/2004 5:46:59 PM PST by syriacus (Who wanted Margaret Hassan murdered? What did she know about the oil-for-food scandal?)
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To: LibSnubber
"It ain't the system that's broke - it's the demonRATS."

Do you think they will ever figure that out?

39 posted on 12/29/2004 5:49:18 PM PST by hope (GOP: It gets the Blue out.)
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To: CHARLITE
?The Electoral College is an anachronism and the time has come to bring our democracy into the 21st Century,? Sen. Feinstein said in a press release. ?During the founding years of the Republic, the Electoral College may have been a suitable system, but today it is flawed and amounts to national elections being decided in several battleground states.

I'm speechless.
40 posted on 12/29/2004 5:49:25 PM PST by Thoro (Those who forget history are doomed to vote democrat.)
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