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FEINSTEIN WILL MOVE TO ABOLISH ELECTORAL COLLEGE - (They'll never give in or give UP!)
USGOV.INFO.COM ^ | DECEMBER 27, 2004 | ROBERT LONGLEY

Posted on 12/29/2004 5:15:20 PM PST by CHARLITE

Amendment would provide for direct popular election
Dateline: December 27, 2004

Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-California) has announced that she will introduce legislation to abolish the Electoral College system and provide for direct popular election of the President and Vice President when the Senate convenes for the 109th Congress in January.

“The Electoral College is an anachronism and the time has come to bring our democracy into the 21st Century,” Sen. Feinstein said in a press release. “During the founding years of the Republic, the Electoral College may have been a suitable system, but today it is flawed and amounts to national elections being decided in several battleground states.

“We need to have a serious, comprehensive debate on reforming the Electoral College.

"I will press for hearings in the Judiciary Committee on which I sit and ultimately a vote on the Senate floor, as occurred 25 years ago on this subject. My goal is simply to allow the popular will of the American people to be expressed every four years when we elect our President. Right now, that is not happening.”

In further denouncing the Electoral College system, Sen. Feinstein pointed out that under the current system for electing the President of the United States:

Candidates focus only on a handful of contested states and ignore the concerns of tens of millions of Americans living in other states.

A candidate can lose in 39 states, but still win the Presidency.

A candidate can lose the popular vote by more than 10 million votes, but still win the Presidency.

A candidate can win 20 million votes in the general election, but win zero electoral votes, as happened to Ross Perot in 1992.

In most states, the candidate who wins a state’s election, wins all of that state’s electoral votes, no matter the winning margin, which can disenfranchise those who supported the losing candidate.

A candidate can win a state’s vote, but an elector can refuse to represent the will of a majority of the voters in that state by voting arbitrarily for the losing candidate (this has reportedly happened 9 times since 1820).

Smaller states have a disproportionate advantage over larger states because of the two “constant” or “senatorial” electors assigned to each state.

A tie in the Electoral College is decided by a single vote from each state’s delegation in the House of Representatives, which would unfairly grant California’s 36 million residents equal status with Wyoming’s 500,000 residents.

In case of such a tie, House members are not bound to support the candidate who won their state’s election, which has the potential to further distort the will of the majority. “Sooner or later we will have a situation where there is a great disparity between the electoral vote winner and the popular vote winner. If the President and Vice President are elected by a direct popular vote of the American people, then every American’s vote will count the same regardless of whether they live in California, Maine, Ohio or Florida,” Sen. Feinstein said.

In the history of the country, there have been four instances of disputed elections where the President who was elected won the electoral vote, but lost the popular vote – John Quincy Adams in 1824, Rutherford B. Hayes in 1876, Benjamin Harrison in 1888 and George W. Bush in 2000. According to some estimates there have been at least 22 instances where a similar scenario could have occurred in close elections.

“Our system is not undemocratic, but it is imperfect, and we have the power to do something about it,” Sen. Feinstein said. “It is no small feat to amend the Constitution as it has only been done only 27 times in the history of our great nation.”


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: abolish; college; directvote; electionpresident; elections; electoral; electoralcollege; judiciarycmte; rats; senatebill; senfeinstein; sorelosers
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To: syriacus

If we had a national popular vote, I predict that presidential candidates would spend all their time campaigning in that portion of the U.S. that lies within a nine-hour drive of Columbus, Ohio.


101 posted on 12/29/2004 6:44:20 PM PST by Alberta's Child (If whiskey was his mistress, his true love was the West . . .)
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To: kaxemma
because the least populated states have the fewest EC votes?

Yes, but there are quite a number of small # EC flyover states. I don't know how long the trend has been, others have a better grip on this than I, but these small states have been voting as a block and together they have a large enough number of EC to out weith the blue coasts. If you look at the red/blue map of how counties voted it's pretty obvious that urban areas is where the 'blue' is concentrated. If we went to a straight popular vote the candidates would only campaign in maybe the 7 largest cities. We're having our own version of that here in WA state. One county - King - is large enough and liberal enough and had enough fraud to override the rest of the state.

102 posted on 12/29/2004 6:44:21 PM PST by not_apathetic_anymore
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To: KoRn
Well, it is in a way... California is utterly uncompetitive in Presidential politics and thus both parties can freely ignore it and its needs. We get about 70 cents back on every dollar sent to the Feds while New Mexico, for example, gets over TWO DOLLARS back for each tax dollar. We can't get even a pittance of what we're rightfully owed for housing illegal immigrants and the Fed's inept border policy, needed for detaining them... There's something like $5 billion a year that we should be getting for doing the work of the Feds that we're not getting. I think we're getting maybe 1/10 that. It's an obscenity!

Bush, a border governor, should be our ally particularly in the environment of the War on Terror but he's not. Not. At. All. He's a baldfaced liar and scoundrel who's every bit as open borders as the know-nothings from the north east and the fly over country who insist it's "no big deal" to let a few hundred-thousand illegals flood across monthly. Right. Come down here, folks. We're on the verge of losing our culture, our heritage, you're on the verge of losing mightily as the state becomes overrun with non-English speaking peoples, born among the cleptocrasies and corruptions of Central and South Asia and America, who choose to live in urban ghettos rather than assimilate into westernized American society. Coupled with the militant multi-culturalism you can't lift a finger to mainstream these people even if they were or become legalized. It isn't CUTE, people. This is SERIOUS.

104 posted on 12/29/2004 6:45:22 PM PST by newzjunkey (Demand Mexico Turnover Fugitive Murderers: http://www.escapingjustice.com)
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To: newzjunkey
If she really wanted to do something she could work inside California to have us moved to a proportional electoral vote. That is, if she was really concerned about disenfranchising those who vote for the loser and candidates ignoring a state as large as CA because it's seen as a given.

But this idea of hers cannot stand... it would increase the likely event of endless court battles. How could you recount only state-by-state? We'd have to have recounts in every state to ensure there aren't another half million votes out there... And since those "faithless electors" are picked because of their party loyalty who's fault is it that a few voted for someone else?


I can't see a flaw in what you say. But just because that stuff would happen doesn't mean it would be rejected. Look at prohibition, income tax, and direct election of Senators. All of which generated bad stuff and changed the nation for the worse but were approved anyway because they "were fair".

It is a recipe for contested elections, opposing sectional parties, and people hitting each other with canes in the Senate. But that doesn't mean the Jaywalk All-Stars won't ever get it through.
105 posted on 12/29/2004 6:46:49 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: Political Junkie Too
Don't panic.

Is there a booger on my nose? OH NO!
106 posted on 12/29/2004 6:46:54 PM PST by Thoro (Those who forget history are doomed to vote democrat.)
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To: kaxemma
Thoro, each and every of the fifty United States has 2 senators, regardless of population.

Right.

They have nothing to do with each state's number of EC votes

Wrong.

(because EC votes are based on population).

Partly, yes.
107 posted on 12/29/2004 6:49:49 PM PST by Thoro (Those who forget history are doomed to vote democrat.)
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To: William Tell
One might wonder if being 'beholden to a political party' creates what Hamilton refered to as "..men, who might be tampered with beforehand to prostitute their votes."
108 posted on 12/29/2004 6:50:06 PM PST by Ready4Freddy (Carpe Sharpei !)
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To: Alberta's Child
That's exactly how Maine and Nebraska already apportion their electoral votes.

Maine and Nebraska can do what they want of course. But I don't believe that what they have done has increased their political power. In fact, I believe that they have reduced their political power by using this method.
109 posted on 12/29/2004 6:50:16 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: Ready4Freddy
The Framers didn't expect slates of electors to be beholden to political parties - they wanted the electors to be able to vote for whomever they wanted.

The Framers also never envisioned a "democratic process" in which people were qualified to vote simply by reaching the age of 18. Most states required people to own property before they could vote.

110 posted on 12/29/2004 6:50:56 PM PST by Alberta's Child (If whiskey was his mistress, his true love was the West . . .)
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To: newzjunkey

I would move to another state if I were you. I don't understand why others can't seem to grasp this concept.

If your state is overrun by liberal politicians, and the illegal aliens who love them; just move. That's what I would do.


111 posted on 12/29/2004 6:50:59 PM PST by KoRn
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To: libs_kma
If a candidate sees Colorado sitting there with 9 E votes... 5 go to the winner, 4 go to the loser (percentage depending, but it would be close to a split like that), well any candidate is going to call that a wash and pay attetntion to a state with bigger fish to fry. Colorado dims tried, but the people there were too smart to be taken in by the demwit proposition.

It should have been named "A Proposal to take away all but one of Colorado's Electoral Votes". That would have been an accurate ballot title.
112 posted on 12/29/2004 6:52:53 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: kaxemma

Each state's Electoral votes = the number of Representatives they have + the 2 Senators.


113 posted on 12/29/2004 6:53:23 PM PST by Ready4Freddy (Carpe Sharpei !)
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To: TomasUSMC
We have got to retake the cities

Can't even keep the ones you have/had like San Diego (F-A-S-T slipping away), or Philly before WW2 ended.

115 posted on 12/29/2004 6:53:36 PM PST by newzjunkey (Demand Mexico Turnover Fugitive Murderers: http://www.escapingjustice.com)
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To: Alberta's Child
Ms. Feinstein doesn't even understand how a presidential election works. A presidential election is not a "national election" at all . . . it is a weighted combination of 50 individual state elections (plus the District of Columbia).

She probably thinks that the World Series win should be awarded to the team that gets the most runs in all of the games combined rather than the winner of the most games.
116 posted on 12/29/2004 6:54:00 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: kaxemma
EC votes are determined by population.

That's an excellent point, and it illustrates how a national popular vote may actually work against a state like California. Because Congressional districts and electoral votes are allocated based on population and not voter registration, California would still have 55 electoral votes even if the state was comprised of a dozen registered voters and the remaining 30 million people were all illegal aliens.

117 posted on 12/29/2004 6:55:02 PM PST by Alberta's Child (If whiskey was his mistress, his true love was the West . . .)
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To: kaxemma

Imagine what is happening in the state of Washington on a national scale.


118 posted on 12/29/2004 6:55:58 PM PST by weshess (I will stop hunting when the animals agree to quit jumping in front of my gun to commit suicide)
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To: Alberta's Child
So much for original intent, eh?
120 posted on 12/29/2004 6:56:33 PM PST by Ready4Freddy (Carpe Sharpei !)
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