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1 posted on 12/29/2004 12:38:09 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem
Shut-up and take the pills! As directed. Don't take more than recommended. Don't take the maximum for years on end. Don't exceed the maximum by two, three, four times!

Or just live with the pain!

2 posted on 12/29/2004 12:39:57 PM PST by newzjunkey (Demand Mexico Turnover Fugitive Murderers: http://www.escapingjustice.com)
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To: neverdem
She flushed her Vioxx down the toilet in September, after it was withdrawn from the market, and switched to Celebrex. But when problems surfaced with Celebrex this month, she had to stop that, too.

My dad had to take a similar course of action.
He has had arthritis since he was my age (34).

Now he is in pain most of the time and doesn't know what he should take.

3 posted on 12/29/2004 12:40:24 PM PST by Constitution Day (Free presidio9!)
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To: neverdem

Your heart will explode, but you won't feel pain....


4 posted on 12/29/2004 12:41:09 PM PST by alloysteel ("Master of the painfully obvious.....")
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To: neverdem
Dunno 'bout anybody else, but I bought some naproxin sodium (Aleve) as soon as I head the news. That is great stuff and the side effects don't matter much.
5 posted on 12/29/2004 12:43:23 PM PST by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: neverdem
What's a Patient to Think?

This patient thinks that the FDA/Pharma complex has become way too cozy.

FDA funding now comes directly from pharmaceutical companies, and they get no further funding from drugs that they do not approve.

When a drug company enrolls a new product for FDA approval, they also hand over $500,000 for oversight expenses, and they keep handing over more and more money until the drug is either approved or terminated.

The FDA is not an independent body. They routinely gag investigators who raise alarms about new products.

That is EXACTLY how the Vioxx episode occurred. The people in the FDA who were against its approval were ordered to shut up.

Abolish the FDA.

Trial lawyers are the scum of the earth, but at least they are independent of the pharmaceutical companies.

Sad to say, drug regulation by lawsuit is a lot more honest and effective than drug regulation by the FDA.

7 posted on 12/29/2004 12:47:19 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: neverdem

Holy Crap!


8 posted on 12/29/2004 12:47:24 PM PST by bedolido (I can forgive you for killing my sons, but I cannot forgive you for forcing me to kill your sons)
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To: neverdem

bttt


10 posted on 12/29/2004 12:48:40 PM PST by malia (a cherished constitutional right -- the right to vote!)
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To: neverdem

Stick to a glass of wine and a couple of Advils.


11 posted on 12/29/2004 12:49:47 PM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: neverdem
It was the third painkiller in four months that Ms. Eisen, who has degenerative spine and disk disease, had quit abruptly because of studies linking the drugs to heart attacks. She flushed her Vioxx down the toilet in September, after it was withdrawn from the market, and switched to Celebrex. But when problems surfaced with Celebrex this month, she had to stop that, too.

Did she maybe talk to her doctor before she took such drastic measures?
13 posted on 12/29/2004 12:51:00 PM PST by Xenalyte (Who you tryin' to get crazy with, ese? Don't you know I'm loco?)
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To: neverdem

Unfortunately many Americans do not realize (with their instant-gratification minds) that their is virtue in suffering.


18 posted on 12/29/2004 12:55:20 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: neverdem
"What's a patient to think?"

THINK OPIATES!!

w00t w00t lol.


....then stop thinking all together lol.
19 posted on 12/29/2004 12:55:36 PM PST by KoRn
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To: neverdem
From what I've seen, the recent study that prompted the furor regarding COX-2 inhibitors showed the following:

Placebo Group: .75 cardiovascular adverse events per 100 patient years
NSAID Group: 1.49 cardiovascular adverse events per 100 patient years

No matter how you cut it, those incidence rates are both extremely low. I think it's offensive that media-induced hysteria will result in many patients living in terrible pain for years because they cannot or will not take this medication.

23 posted on 12/29/2004 12:57:55 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: neverdem

Don't buy the meds the drugs companies push on us. Look for alternatives. You get old and the body does not work the way it once did, thats just the way things are. That being said, if I were older and had chronic pain I don't think I'd stop the Vioxx or whatever, just moderate it.


27 posted on 12/29/2004 1:04:40 PM PST by Pondman88
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To: El Gato; JudyB1938; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Robert A. Cook, PE; lepton; LadyDoc; jb6; tiamat; PGalt; ..

FReepmail me if you want on or off my health and science ping list.

Anyone taking aspirin to protect against coronary artery (heart) disease as well as any non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug(NSAID), including Celebrex or Bextra, for any reason, should take the aspirin, preferably with food, at least one hour before that other drug.


28 posted on 12/29/2004 1:07:22 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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Vioxx. Celebrex. Now Aleve. What's a Patient to Think?

Why bother thinking.

New Thinkabrexx is coming on the market!

 

 

 

 

in it's generic form, it's call cogitatix.

32 posted on 12/29/2004 1:13:29 PM PST by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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To: neverdem

How about Bauer Aspirin?


46 posted on 12/29/2004 1:46:19 PM PST by marty60
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To: neverdem

This is how I look at it:

They did a dual test with Vioxx and Celebrex. Vioxx caused real problems compared to celebrex.

They tested Aleve against Celebrex and discovered Aleve caused problems.

They tested very high doses of Celebrex and discovered problems - in one test, and a similar, but not identical test earlier found no such problems.

My conclusions:

Celebrex is safer than Vioxx

Celebrex may be safer than Aleve (and certainly is to my tummy)

Large doses of Celebrex may be dangerous.

Doses of most NSAIDS may, at some dosage level, prove as a group, to cause heart problems.

I take Celebrex at the 100mg dose, and in the winter, especially, I need it for arthritis.

Unless they take it off the market, I am not giving it up.

There is no real evidence that it is any more dangerous than a number of other NSAIDs at normal dosages, and in fact, looks safter than a number of them.

The pain in my hands really sucks bad. Narcotics like Loritabs give me a problem with my biliary system. It takes a lot of pain to make me reach for one, knowing that I will have chest pain later if I have to take it very long.

So, I will continue with it, and know that sometimes you are trading off when you take meds for problems...


49 posted on 12/29/2004 2:04:39 PM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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