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Socialism Isn't Christianity
Christian Underground ^ | Dec. 28, 2004 | Thomas R. Eddison

Posted on 12/28/2004 4:25:51 PM PST by Lindykim

The Christian Underground http://www.christian-underground.com --- Socialism Isnt Christianity By Thomas R. Eddison Dec 28, 2004  

On November 2, the American people overwhelmingly voted down the overtly anti-Christian far-left agenda adopted by the Democratic Party leadership. Now the Democrats have laid out a scheme to win back morality voters by subverting Christian doctrine with the claim that Jesus was a socialist.

"No one can read the New Testament of our Bible without recognizing that Jesus had a lot more to say about how we treat the poor than most of the issues that were talked about in this election," Senator Hillary Clinton told a Tufts University audience of 5,000 on November 10. The former First Lady told the Boston area audience of religion: "I don't think you can win an election or even run a successful campaign if you don't acknowledge what is important to people."

The strategy is to paint fiscal conservatives as un-Christian because they oppose using the state as a modern-day Robin Hood. Michael Kinsley wrote on November 7 in a house editorial for the Los Angeles Times, "Democrats seem oblivious to their platform's moral potency: innocent children suffering because their families can't get health insurance; platoons of young men and women dying in a war that didn't have to be; the pillaging of God's green Earth."

The Democrats overtly advocate a socialist agenda, which lives on today under new names, such as universal health care, the social safety net, and development assistance. And the theme is that leftists who advocate socialist government policies are generous, and those who refuse to redistribute the wealth are opposing Christian principles.

But the welfare state does not operate by the principle of moral generosity: it relies on a legalized form of theft (forcibly taking from some to give to others) and is driven by greed and envy. The welfare state breeds greed by offering wealth without work and generates envy by promoting class warfare.

The Christian principle of special consideration for the poor is a clarion call for the individual, not for the state. Jesus did not have the Good Samaritan in Luke's Gospel tell the injured man in the road to seek a government social worker. The Good Samaritan gave of what was his own willingly, not under the duress of the state. The welfare state actually encourages a spiritual laziness by implying that helping the poor is the responsibility of the state rather than a responsibility of the individual.

Consider the example of a small community of a few people to sharpen the moral clarity of this issue. Four men are stranded on a deserted tropical island. Two work hard to gather more pineapples and coconuts than they need. A third is unable to work because he has a broken leg, and a fourth is too lazy to work. While the working men have a moral obligation to share with the injured man, neither of the two who did not work have a right to take by force what is not theirs.

To claim otherwise is to deny all right to property and to make the two working men slaves of the other two. The commandments "thou shalt not steal" and "thou shalt not covet" establish a right to ownership of property. If we can't own property, giving of ourselves becomes impossible - as does real almsgiving.

Back on the island, if the lazy man steals pineapples from the two working men by force, then he commits a crime and violates the commandment "thou shalt not steal." Socialism is the theft and redistribution of wealth through force, whether it's done for a society of four people or one containing millions. That's why all totalitarians, from Lenin to Hitler, adopt broad socialist policies in order to enslave society. The liberals are misleading people into believing that forcibly redistributing wealth, something that would be a crime if one individual did it to another, is a moral good and a foundation of "democracy." In fact, the general election strategy of the welfare state is the whisper in the ear: "I'll give you more of the other guy's money than you'll pay in taxes."

That electoral whisper of the welfare state is the ultimate "big money" influence skewing today's elections, and the prime reason why the welfare state cannot easily be dismantled. Welfare-state recipients always see the crumbs that fall to them from the welfare state.

Except for a few who make their entire living off the state, the claim that you'll be able to steal more than you'll have to pay is always a lie. In fact, much of the money that the federal government forcibly takes in the name of federal aid never leaves Washington, D.C. The U.S. Department of Education will spend $67.7 billion this year for "children," but a hefty proportion of that money will pay for the army of more than 4,600 employees of the federal agency, along with numerous buildings and associated office costs. The cut of the boodle for the welfare state bureacracy can be in the 50 percent range. Additionally, much of the money the federal government gives to "individuals" to assist children are in the form of grants to state agencies, which take another share of the money in the form of bureaucratic costs. In the end, welfare state politicians only bribe us with part of the money they must first take from us. Working Americans will never receive as much as they'll pay to the tax man.

And therein lies the hope for ending the welfare state in America, so long as Christians are not fooled by this latest socialist propaganda barrage.

moderator@christian-underground.com http://www.christian-underground.com/archive/read.php?sid=88 Posted to the CU: 2004-12-28 02:40:04 CST

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To: MississippiMan

It might not be urban legend, it's not even listed on snopes.

I don't want to start an urban legend about a non-urban legend! ;^)


41 posted on 12/28/2004 6:25:33 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Maybe godless liberalism doesn't belong in science class. ><BCC>)
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To: Lindykim
"No one can read the New Testament of our Bible without recognizing that Jesus had a lot more to say about how we treat the poor than most of the issues that were talked about in this election"

This is a real example of a violation of Article One. The founders sought to prevent the use of federal government to coercively establish religious practices.

So the libs really do not believe in the first amendment. They misapply it to prohibit the free exercise of religion it was meant to protect. But they ignore it when they want to compel us all to practice their religion of socialistic humanism.

This abortion-loving liberal has no business trying to teach the Bible to anyone.
42 posted on 12/28/2004 6:27:11 PM PST by unlearner
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To: Blue Collar Christian
Maybe the Gore quote was real and it got falsely tagged onto Bush and Kerry. I'm almost certain I remember it being well-sourced and very specific with Gore. Been a long time, though. I do remember thinking nothing could be more perfect an example of an attempt to use God coming back on someone, given what John 16:3 says. :-)

I've never understood anyone with the nerve to blatantly use God for their own gain the way so many of these people do. It makes me cringe. Then again, I fully respect and fear His power. Perhaps they don't.

MM

43 posted on 12/28/2004 6:45:28 PM PST by MississippiMan (Americans should not be sacrificed on the altar of political correctness.)
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To: FreeKeys

Which is why I like Atlas Shrugged.


44 posted on 12/28/2004 7:04:42 PM PST by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: Lindykim
Excellent article. What liberals have done is replace the idea of personal obligation with impersonal obligation. You can ignore your aged parents, divorce a perfectly good spouse and abandon or abort your children, all in the pursuit of happiness. But, God forbid, that you balk at paying taxes to support faceless strangers -- you are deemed selfish. In the modern-day, topsy turvy world, you owe strangers more than you owe your own family, as well as others around you such as friends and co-workers.

The practical result of all of this is that many people have no sense of personal obligation towards anyone. The more the government does for the elderly, the less able and willing children will do for their own aged parents. The more the government does for children, the less able and willing parents will do for their own children. People have no sense of responsibility for themselves, figuring that no matter what they do, the government will always be there to save them from the consequences of their folly.

The bigger the government, the more selfishness and irresponsibility and the attitude of "I pay taxes, let the government handle the problem." For a conservative to complain about the moral rot of recent decades and then to support socialism is to spit into the wind, to work at cross purposes.

45 posted on 12/28/2004 7:32:17 PM PST by Siamese Princess
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To: Semaphore Heathcliffe
Taking your word for it that this is actually the case, these same people are getting taxed out the wazoo. Is it unreasonable to expect they'd complain the most, since they're footing most of the bill?

I think it's unreasonable...Lets suppose you have two sandwiches and I have two picnic baskets full of sandwiches...Ten hungry people come a beggin'...You give up one sandwich for one person...I could give one sandwich since that's all you gave...I could have given nine, ate my fill and thrown the rest away...Or, I could come up with a bunch of loopholes and given half a sandwich...Na, I'm comfortable with my outlook...

46 posted on 12/28/2004 7:54:38 PM PST by Iscool (Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of those who threaten it !!!)
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To: Iscool

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. Sounds good. Maybe we can give it a shot.


47 posted on 12/28/2004 8:11:38 PM PST by Semaphore Heathcliffe
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To: Semaphore Heathcliffe
From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. Sounds good. Maybe we can give it a shot.

You forgot to say -- "(sarcasm) The Soviets already gave it a shot and showed the world what that REALLY meant." -- didn't you?

"The Nazis are well remembered for murdering well over 11 million people in the implementation of their slogan, 'The public good before the private good,' the Chinese Communists for murdering 62 million people in the implementation of theirs, 'Serve the people,' and the Soviet Communists for murdering more than 60 million people in the implementation of Karl Marx's slogan, 'from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.' Anyone who defends any of these, or any variation of them, on the grounds of their 'good intentions' is an immoral (NOT 'amoral') enabler of the ACTUAL (not just the proverbial) road to hell." -- from http://FreedomKeys.com/collectivism.htm

48 posted on 12/28/2004 8:28:30 PM PST by FreeKeys (You mean it NEVER occurred to the rats BIG government could fall into the hands of people they hate?)
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To: FreeKeys

Yeah, I figured a straight quote from Karl Marx would come with understood sarcasm. Can't take anything for granted on FR.


49 posted on 12/28/2004 8:30:10 PM PST by Semaphore Heathcliffe
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To: Siamese Princess

excellent post


50 posted on 12/28/2004 8:30:40 PM PST by Semaphore Heathcliffe
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To: Siamese Princess

BTTT

Good thinking.


51 posted on 12/28/2004 8:32:25 PM PST by FreeKeys (You mean it NEVER occurred to the rats BIG government could fall into the hands of people they hate?)
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To: Semaphore Heathcliffe

Bullsh!t


52 posted on 12/28/2004 8:39:45 PM PST by NC Native ("Bombing begins in five minutes"... Ronald W. Reagan)
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To: Semaphore Heathcliffe

Thank you!


53 posted on 12/28/2004 8:47:36 PM PST by Siamese Princess
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To: FreeKeys

And thank you, too! I don't mind compliments.


54 posted on 12/28/2004 8:51:54 PM PST by Siamese Princess
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To: Lindykim
"No one can read the New Testament of our Bible without recognizing that Jesus had a lot more to say about how we treat the poor than most of the issues that were talked about in this election," Senator Hillary Clinton told a Tufts University audience of 5,000 on November 10. The former First Lady told the Boston area audience of religion: "I don't think you can win an election or even run a successful campaign if you don't acknowledge what is important to people."

Dear Hillary:

That festering, stinking boil on the ass of your political party is called the abortion industry. Whaddya suppose Jesus would have to say about that? Excuse me if I don't buy in to your religious-socialism suckfest while at the same time listening to the collective voice of your Island of Misfit Toys advocate the legalized murder of 45 million babies, yes babies, since 1973.

In the immmortal words of Gunnery Sgt. Thomas Highway - go hump somebody else's leg, muttface.

55 posted on 12/28/2004 9:12:12 PM PST by Hat-Trick (Do you trust a government that cannot trust you with guns?)
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To: Hat-Trick
Sorry.

immmortal = immortal

56 posted on 12/28/2004 9:15:14 PM PST by Hat-Trick (Do you trust a government that cannot trust you with guns?)
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To: Iscool

"A hundred years ago, people with cancer, diabetes and other ailments just died...Most families couldn't afford to care for their relatives..."

This is poppycock! People always received the care that was known and available for these diseases. The treatments themselves were sometimes ineffective, and people died as a result, but it wasn't because they weren't able to access medical care. Charity hospitals were plentiful and open to all comers. But all the money in the world couldn't cure cancer or diabetes. The "rich" died just as the "poor" did back then.

The kind of thinking exhibited in the previous remark just perpetuates the myth that we all were deprived of medical care until the government began to regulate and control access. This is nonsense, and plays into the lies spewed by the leftists among us.


57 posted on 12/28/2004 10:13:44 PM PST by bowzer313
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To: jwalsh07

And in a social system wherein manknd is stripped of his innate dignity, he is likewise stripped of his humanity since he is nothing more than a tiny cog among other thousands of tiny cogs. And it's precisely in an inhumane, utilitarian, souless system such as this that abortion florishes.


58 posted on 12/29/2004 2:21:06 AM PST by Lindykim
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To: dog breath

snip...This is a interesting question, as to whether the left can claim a Christian basis for social programs. While Christ


LK....If what I've been encountering in lib/progressive political forums is any indicator, then the answer to your question is 'yes'. It's obvious from what they're claiming that they're being told by their handlers that 'fundies' have stolen and subverted Christianity. And that in fact, the Left represents 'true' Christianity.


We're definitely living in times of tremendous deceit, paranoia, and delusion. Up is down, down is up, left is right, good is bad, and cultural Marxism is Christianity.


59 posted on 12/29/2004 2:29:41 AM PST by Lindykim
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To: Lindykim
The welfare state actually encourages a spiritual laziness by implying that helping the poor is the responsibility of the state rather than a responsibility of the individual.

Christianity does the same thing. Ends personal responsibility. The work is done by Jesus/state.

60 posted on 12/29/2004 2:37:21 AM PST by Netizen (jmo)
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