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Disaster compared to scene from Bible (Planet rotation said affected by 9.0 quake)
WorldNetDaily ^ | December 26, 2004

Posted on 12/27/2004 6:08:33 AM PST by NYer

The largest earthquake in the past 40 years and the resulting deaths of thousands from 33-foot tidal waves are being compared by an American reporter to descriptions of disaster from Holy Scripture.

"The speed with which it all happened seemed like a scene from the Bible – a natural phenomenon unlike anything I had experienced before," said Washington Post reporter Michael Dobbs, who was swimming off a Sri Lankan island when the disaster struck this morning.

"As the waters rose at an incredible rate, I half expected to catch sight of Noah's Ark. Instead of the Ark, I grabbed hold of a wooden catamaran that the local people used as a fishing boat. My brother jumped on the boat, next to me. We bobbed up and down on the catamaran, as the water rushed past us into the village beyond the road."

Officials at the U.S. Geological Survey the 9.0 quake centered off the Indonesian island of Sumatra was the world's fifth-largest since 1900 and the biggest since a 9.2 temblor hit Prince William Sound Alaska in 1964.

The temblor sparked a tsunami, a series of giant walls of water which left more than 14,000 dead in six countries, with the death toll continuing to rise.

Dobbs gives a first-person account of the dramatic event in the Post:

Disaster struck with no warning out of a faultlessly clear blue sky. ... I was a quarter way around the island when I heard my brother shouting at me, "Come back! Come back! There's something strange happening with the sea." ...

In less than a minute, the water level had risen at least 15 feet – but the sea itself remained calm, barely a wave in sight. ...

After a few minutes, the water stopped rising, and I felt it was safe to swim to the shore. What I didn't realize was that the floodwaters would recede as dramatically as they had risen.

All of a sudden, I found myself being swept out to sea with startling speed. Although I am a fairly strong swimmer, I was unable to withstand the current. The fishing boats around me had been torn from their moorings and were furiously bobbing up and down.

For the first time, I felt afraid, powerless to prevent myself from being swept out to sea.

I swam in the direction of one of the loose catamarans, grabbed hold of the hull, and pulled myself to safety. My weight must have slowed the boat down and soon I was stranded on the sand.

As the water rushed out of the bay, I scrambled onto the main road. Screams and yells were coming from the houses behind the road, many of which were still half full of water, trapping the inhabitants inside. Villagers were walking dazed along the road, unable to comprehend what had taken place.

I was worried about my wife who had been on the beach at the time I went for my swim. I eventually found her walking along the road, dazed and happy to be alive. She had been trying to wade back to our island, when the water had carried her across the road and into someone's back yard. At one point she was underwater, struggling for breath. She finally grabbed onto a piece of rope and climbed into a tree, while the waters raged beneath her.

An Italian scientist says the earthquake was so strong, it even disturbed the rotation of the Earth.

"All the planet is vibrating," Enzo Boschi, head of Italy's National Geophysics Institute said on SKY TG24 TV.

The U.S. State Department says at least three Americans are confirmed dead, two in Sri Lanka and one in Thailand.

A written statement from the White House says "the President expresses his sincere condolences for the terrible loss of life and suffering caused by the earthquake and subsequent tsunamis in the region of the Bay of Bengal.

"The United States stands ready to offer all appropriate assistance to those nations most affected including Sri Lanka, the Maldives, Thailand, and Indonesia, as well as the other countries impacted. Already relief is flowing to Sri Lanka and the Maldives. We will work with the affected governments, the United Nations, non-governmental organizations, and other concerned states and organizations to support the relief and response to this terrible tragedy."

Relief agencies say the full scale of the disaster is impossible to assess, since communications have been cut to remote areas.


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To: redgolum

OK, AM might be too busy right now. You can do the honors, and I will ping over some people :)


201 posted on 12/28/2004 9:24:32 AM PST by No_Outcome_But_Victory (Today's established church: The stifling coercive theology of P.C. enforced by a secular episcopate.)
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To: No_Outcome_But_Victory

AMEN!

You may be aware of post #1,311

on the PROPHETIC SIGNS OF THE END TIMES thread at:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1274030/posts?page=1329#1329


202 posted on 12/28/2004 9:25:13 AM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING IT'S POWER. I TIM 3:5)
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To: No_Outcome_But_Victory

This big quake was certainly in

'diver's locations'

bad joke.


203 posted on 12/28/2004 9:26:29 AM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING IT'S POWER. I TIM 3:5)
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To: netmilsmom

Sure understand the feelings.

Though increasingly these days, I'm ready for the FIRST ELEVATOR UP or whatever substitutes at God's direction.


204 posted on 12/28/2004 9:27:45 AM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING IT'S POWER. I TIM 3:5)
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To: Quix
bad joke.

I'll say it was ... GET THEE HENCE! :)

205 posted on 12/28/2004 9:30:41 AM PST by No_Outcome_But_Victory (Today's established church: The stifling coercive theology of P.C. enforced by a secular episcopate.)
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To: Steely Tom; Elisha_Ben_Abuya
No. The angular momentum of the earth can only be changed by either encountering an extra-terrestrial object that transfers angular momentum to us (for instance, by collision with a sizeable asteroid, particularly if the angle of collision is "glancing") or by ejecting some material from the earth and thereby carrying away some angular momentum.

It so happens that the angular momentum of the Earth is changing. Mostly from Lunar tidal forces. The sun and Jupiter play apart as well.

Look at the sentence with the underlined word (last paragraph):

There will not be a leap second again this year.

“Why” I hear you cry!

First let us start out with a brief explanation of the need for the precursor information I am providing prior to actually getting to leap seconds.

Historically timekeeping and calendars have been tied to the motions found in the heavens. These have been primarily the stars, our Moon, and the Sun. To get a rudimentary understanding of how time is measured and where we got our units of time, we must first talk about the motions of these heavenly bodies referenced back to our Earth. The background for this post will start with the Celestial Sphere, followed with a description of the Earth Sun relationship, and finally with the Earth Moon relationships/system.

The Celestial sphere:

When we look up at the stars in the night sky they appear to be stationary relative to each other. As the Earth moves from one side of the Sun to the other, the displacement of those stars due to parallax is less than one second of arc even for the nearest star (Proxima Centauri). One way of looking at this is a fixed sphere of stars surrounding the Earth/Sun system. This is often referred to as the Celestial Sphere. This is why some of the ancient civilizations considered the stars to be holes in a tapestry.

Since we are talking distances and parallax, lets briefly take a moment and describe such. The more familiar term for the layman when referring to stellar distances is called a light year. This is the distance light will travel in one calendar year. For example the star Proxima Centauri is approximately 4.22 light years from our solar system. Astronomers use another term that may be not so familiar called the Parsec. The Parsec (parallax-arcsecond) is the distance needed for an object (star) to have a shift of one arcsecond referenced to one astronomical second (AU), the average distance from the Earth to the Sun or approximately 93 million miles. An arcsecond is 1/60 of an arcminute, which is 1/60 of a degree. However, there are no stars that are close enough to exhibit this large a shift. The distance of a Parsec is about 3.26 light years and the nearest star is 4.22 light years.

Even though it appears the stars remain in “fixed” locations in the night sky, over a period of time the stars do move relative to each other and relative to the Earth. This is why the right ascension and declination (star location) changes over the years. If you look at a star catalogue based on the epoch B1950 and one base on the epoch J2000, you will notice some differences.

Another interesting item of note is that the constellations we see are made up of the brightest stars. Even in the same constellation these stars are at different distances from the Earth. Some may be dimmer than the others, however, being closer they are just as bright as a larger one further away. The brightness of a star is called its magnitude. There are two ways astronomers measure magnitude: Apparent Magnitude and Absolute Magnitude.

The Apparent Magnitude is how bright a star appears to us here on the Earth. The Absolute Magnitude is how bright a star would appear if it were exactly ten parsecs away from the Earth. (Close to 33 light years).

Two notes:

1) Apparent magnitude is usually denoted with a small “m” and absolute magnitude uses a capital “M”.

2) The magnitude scale is backwards of what you might think, the larger the number the fainter the object.

Since the Earth is tilted (23.5 degrees) in reference to the path it sweeps out in its orbit about the Sun, this path projected onto the celestial sphere does not fall on the celestial equator. This imaginary plane is called the ecliptic. Note: This angle between the ecliptic and the equatorial plane is called The Obliquity of The Ecliptic.

This imaginary plane crosses the celestial equator in two places (called the equinoxes). The Vernal Equinox falls in the spring as the Sun appears to cross the ecliptic going north and the Autumnal Equinox falls in autumn when the Sun again crosses the ecliptic, this time going south. Note: Vernal comes from the Latin vernalis, meaning spring. Also the term equinox relates to the word equal since both day and night are close to the same, 12 hours during the equinox.

The points where this plane is the farthest above (north) and below (south) the celestial equator is called the solstices. In the northern hemisphere of the earth, the most northern point of the ecliptic is called the Summer Solstice and the southern most is called the Winter Solstice. In the Southern hemisphere of the Earth the reverse is true.

The zodiac lies along the plane of the ecliptic. Since the Earth is orbiting the Sun, the Sun appears to follow the plane of the ecliptic, making one complete circle in one calendar year. The name “zodiac” comes from the Greek meaning animal circle. Note: The path of the Moon and the other planets fall pretty much on this plane as well. Since it takes 365 days for the Earth to orbit the Sun and there are 360 degrees in a circle, the Sun moves pretty close to 1 degree per day.

If you were to draw a line out from the Earth intersecting the Vernal Equinox, that line would be referred to as The First Point of Aries. The reason it was called this is that this line pointed to the first star in the constellation of Ares in March of 1950.

The celestial sphere is tied to the Earth for its coordinate system. Project the Earth’s equator out to infinity and you have the equator of the celestial sphere. Likewise the north and south poles of the Earth points to the north and south poles of the celestial sphere respectively. This makes it very easy to map the sky referenced to the Earth. This coordinate system is called the Equatorial Coordinate System. It ties in closely with our own geographic coordinate system here on the surface of the Earth.

There is one fundamental difference however. The geographic coordinate system is fixed upon the surface of the Earth (Lat Long) so it rotates with the rotation of the Earth. The celestial coordinate system is fixed to the celestial sphere and appears to rotate due to the Earth’s rotation. The “latitude” of the celestial sphere (the angle of an object above or below the celestial equator) is called declination with zero being on the equator. This is pretty easy since the celestial’s equator and poles appear to be fixed like our own earth. Unlike the Earth, since the celestial sphere appears to be rotating, the “longitude”, called right ascension, is not a “fixed” reference to the Earth. So instead of using degrees, hours were used for this measurement. First there needed to be a “fixed” direction to measure from. The Vernal Equinox was selected as the zero reference for the right ascension. Since there are 360 degrees in a circle, the Earth rotates about 15 degrees every hour. So you will note right ascension is measured in hours/minutes/seconds as apposed to degrees.

Remember that for declination Zero is on the equator and for right ascension zero is at the Vernal Equinox. So the Vernal Equinox will have the coordinates of 0 degrees and 0 hours. This then becomes the center point for an Equatorial Sky Chart.

On to the Earth-Sun system:

It takes one year for the Earth to rotate around the Sun one time and 24 hours to rotate on its axis. Think about this relationship. Not only is the Earth revolving on its axis, it is in motion about the Sun. (I know this is really basic grade school stuff, however, it will help in visualizing the concepts I am about to explain) Therefore the Earth moves 1/365th of its orbit about the Sun every day.

Ok, here is where that visualization will come in handy. Since a “day” is described by one complete rotation of the Earth on its axis, this equates from noon to noon (when a point on the Earth is directly pointed at the Sun). The term for this is called the Mean Solar Day. But here is the rub; the Earth has moved during this period of time we called a day. So the Earth must turn a tiny bit more to have the same spot facing the Sun every day.

Now let us think of this celestial sphere we have been chatting about. Remember the stars appear fixed in one location (at least on a daily basis). This means that one complete revolution of the Earth referenced to a star does not take that little bit of extra time to be over the same spot on the Earth. This “day” is referred to as a Sidereal Day. It takes approximately four extra minutes for the Earth to have the Sun over the same location on the Earth than a star.

This is the difference between a Sidereal Day and a Mean Solar Day.

Also the Earth is tilted on its axis from the plane of the ecliptic by 23.5 degrees. That tilt causes the North Pole to be currently pointed towards Polaris. As the Earth moves around the sun its pole stays pointed at Polaris. This is the cause of the seasons we experience. Note. This tilt varies back and forth from 21.6 degrees to 24.5 degrees approximately every 41,000 years.

There is also a precession of our pole and it sweeps a complete circle in the sky (think of the Earth as a top wobbling as it rotates) about every 26,000 years. (Hard to explain without a diagram). This gives us different pole stars as the north pole of the Earth sweeps out a circle on the celestial sphere.

There are also a number of other motions that must be taken into consideration over the years such as the precession of the aphelion. Our Earth’s orbit around the Sun is not a perfect circle. It is an ellipse with the closest point of the orbit called the perihelion and the furthest point the aphelion. Currently the aphelion falls on the fourth of July. However, this is not always the case. The aphelion and perihelion change over the centuries and sweeps thru the calendar year with a periodicity of around 22,000 years. The amount of “squishing” (now that’s a scientific term :-)) of an ellipse is called its eccentricity. If the eccentricity is equal to zero the orbit will be a perfect circle. Between zero and one the path of an orbit is an ellipse. Note: A circle is also known as a degenerate ellipse. However, should the eccentricity equal exactly one, the path becomes a parabola and finally, if the eccentricity is greater than one, the path then becomes a hyperbola.

The Earth’s eccentricity is very small. However, even this changes over time. Its eccentricity varies periodically about every 100,000 years. There are also other motions caused by the Moon, Jupiter and the Sun called Nutations. One of the major nutations has a period of 18.6 years. Now that we have taken a cursory look at the Earth/Sun system, there is another big factor in all of this. It is called the Moon.

The reason the Moon keeps one face to the Earth (Its rotation on its axis matches the period of its orbit) is it is tidally locked to the Earth. This tidal locking will eventually cause the Earth and Moon to keep one face to each other.

Here is a more in depth explanation. The total angular momentum of the earth moon system, which is spin angular momentum plus the orbital angular momentum, is constant. (The Sun plays apart also) Friction of the oceans caused by the tides is causing the Earth to slow down a tiny bit each year. This is approximately two milliseconds per century causing the moon to recede by about 4 centimeters per year. As the Earth slows down, the Moon must recede to keep the total angular momentum a constant. In other words as the spin angular momentum of the earth decreases, the lunar orbital angular momentum must increase. Here is an interesting side note. The velocity of the moon will slow down as the orbit increases.

Another example of tidal locking is the orbit period and rotation of the planet Mercury. What is interesting about this one is that instead of a 1:1 synchronization where Mercury would keep one face to the Sun at all times, it is actually in a 2/3:1 synchronization. This is due to the High eccentricity of its orbit.

There also can be more than one body “locked” to each other. Lets take a look at the moon Io. Io is very nearly the same size as the Earth’s moon. It is approximately 1.04 times the size of the moon. There is a resonance between Io, Ganymede, and Europa. Io completes four revolutions for every one of Ganymede and two of Europa. This is due to a Laplace Resonance phenomenon. A Laplace Resonance is when more than two bodies are forced into a minimum energy configuration.

And finally a look at the asteroid belt:

The asteroid belt has an estimated total combined mass of less than 1 tenth of the Earth’s moon. Jupiter also has a profound effect on the asteroid belt. Since Jupiter has a semimajor axis of 5.2 AU (I AU is the distance from the Sun to the Earth) it has an orbital period of 11.86 years. Since the asteroids are not all at the same distance from the sun, some of them have an orbital period of one half of Jupiter. This puts that asteroid in a 2:1 orbital resonance with Jupiter. The result of this resonance is gaps called Kirkwood’s gaps. So here is the rub; why did not these asteroids for a planet? The reason is the gravitational force of Jupiter. It perturbs the asteroids giving them random velocities relative to each other. Another effect of both Jupiter and the Sun on the asteroid belt is a group of asteroids that both precede and follow Jupiter in its orbit by 60 degrees. These asteroids are known as the Trojans.

Since we are now talking about orbiting bodies, let us digress just a wee bit further and briefly talk about orbits:

There are different sizes and shapes of orbits. We use the term Semi-Major Axis to measure the size of an orbit. It is the distance from the geometric center of the ellipse to either the apogee or perigee (The highest (apo) and the lowest (peri)). Apoapsis is a general term for the greatest radial distance of an Ellipse as measured from a Focus. Apoapsis for an orbit around the Earth is called apogee, and apoapsis for an orbit around the Sun is called aphelion.

Periapsis is a general term for the smallest radial distance of an Ellipse as measured from a Focus. Periapsis for an orbit around the Earth is called perigee, and periapsis for an orbit around the Sun is called perihelion.

The terms Gee and Helios comes from the Greek words “Ge” (earth) and “Helios” (Sun) respectively.

First lets talk a bit about “where it is”. An orbit is a nothing more than an object falling around another object. Both Kepler and Newton came up with a set of laws that describe this phenomenon.

Kepler’s three laws of planetary motion:

1) The orbit of a planet is an ellipse with the sun at one of the foci.
2) The line drawn between a planet and the sun sweep out equal areas in equal times.
3) The square of the periods of the planets is proportional to the cubes of their mean distance from the sun.

So what is that telling us? In a nutshell, all orbits are ellipses, the close to the body you are orbiting the faster you go (e.g. if you have a highly elliptical orbit the satellite or planet’s velocity will increase as it approaches the object being orbited and decrease as it get further away).

These laws not only apply to planets and satellites, but to any orbiting body.

Note: Super geek alert #1:

For an orbiting body this is not entirely correct. It turns out that both bodies end up orbiting a common center of mass of the two-body system. However, for satellites, the mass of the Earth is so much greater than the mass of the satellite, the effective center of mass is the center of the Earth.

Newton’s three laws (and law of gravitation):

1) The first law states that every object will remain at rest or in uniform motion in a straight line unless compelled to change its state by the action of an external force. (Commonly known as inertia)
2) The second law states that force is equal to the change in momentum (MV) per change in time. (For a constant mass, force equals mass times acceleration F=ma)
3) The third law states that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. In other words, if an object exerts a force on another object, a resulting equal force is exerted back on the original object.

Newton’s law of gravitation states that any two bodies attract one another with a force proportional to the product of their masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them.

Note: Super geek alert #2:

Actual observed positions did not quite match the predictions under classical Newtonian physics. Albert Einstein later solved this discrepancy with his “General Theory of Relativity”. There are four classical “tests” that cemented General Relativity:

1. In November of 1919, using a solar eclipse, experimental verification of his theory was performed by measuring the apparent change in a stars position due to the bending of the light buy the sun’s gravity.
2. The changing orientation of the major axis or Mercury not exactly matching classical mechanics.
3. Gravitational Redshift
4. Gravitational Time Dilation

So what is all this trying to tell us? Planets, satellites, etc orbit their parents in predictable trajectories allowing us to “know” where they will be at any given time. A set of coordinates showing the location of these objects over a period of time is called its ephemeris.

FINALLY lets get to time and leap seconds!

Historically, time has been measured by the rotation of the Earth on its axis and the time it takes to rotate once about the Sun (a year). However, both of these are not uniform enough for precise calculations.

One of the units of time is called the second. It used to be defined as 1/86,400 of a Mean Solar Day. This was good enough for early calculations, but don’t forget that the Earth is slowing down due to tidal forces so that ends up changing over time. After a number of intermediate steps the second was finally redefined as:

The duration of 9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the cesium 133 atom. (Atomic time), also known as Coordinated Universal Time (UTC).

Since the Earth is slowing down approximately 1.4 milliseconds per day per century, this deceleration causes the Earth’s rotational time to vary from atomic time. The current true (instantaneous) rotation rate of the Earth is called UT1 (which is a non-uniform rotation). Over a period of a year the difference between it and UTC can approach a full second. However, since the Earth’s rotation is non-uniform, it is monitored continuously. If the difference between UT1 and UTC approaches 0.9 seconds, a leap second is added or subtracted from UTC to keep it uniform with the Earth’s rotation. So far all of the leap seconds have been positive. This tallies with the slowing of the Earth from tidal braking.

Note: Since the GPS time does not have leap seconds added or subtracted, it is diverging with UTC with every second added to UTC. Currently it is different by 13 seconds. This can cause some consternation when flying a satellite or spacecraft that uses GPS. If your ephemeris is calculated in GPS time and you receive a “vector” in UTC time, it will be off by 13 seconds. You just cannot add 13 or subtract 13 seconds and press on. The rub is that not only has the satellite moved 13 seconds in-track, the Earth has rotated underneath by 13 seconds (cross-track) as well. This is especially noticeable for the high inclination orbits. Vectors have to be recalculated when translating between GPS and UTC.

The interesting note is that the last time a leap second was needed was clear back in 1999. Remember, the deceleration of the Earth is not uniform. There may be a number of factors that cause this non-linearity such as snow and ice loads, earthquakes and others we haven’t even thought of. This could account for this long delay between leap seconds. This certainly is not a permanent condition. The Earth will continue to slow down and the deceleration will still vary. One final item: There is an ongoing debate whether to do away with leap seconds all together and just go with UTC. The problem with this is, over an extended period of time, the hours will no longer be tied to the solar day and noon may well end up in the evening. Another suggestion is to redefine the period of one second to more closely match the current rotation of the Earth. This too has its problems as the second will required “redefining” periodically as the Earth continues to slow down.

I know I posted this on the other "earth rotation is changing thread". But though it was ok reading for both threads.

206 posted on 12/28/2004 9:31:49 AM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: RadioAstronomer

Would you be willing to tutor my kids?

*smile*


207 posted on 12/28/2004 9:36:37 AM PST by netmilsmom (God send you a Blessed 2005!)
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To: Quix

>>Though increasingly these days, I'm ready for the FIRST ELEVATOR UP or whatever substitutes at God's direction.<<

I have friends who are so into the Last Days that I fear something like this will send them over the edge.

I am trying to be prepared and if it comes it comes. I do have to say that Heaven always looks better than here, as long as I do not leave my children behind. If that happens (hey, I could always be hit by a bus), it would be sad but God will watch them for me.

God Bless, my FRiend!


208 posted on 12/28/2004 9:39:59 AM PST by netmilsmom (God send you a Blessed 2005!)
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To: netmilsmom

GOD BLESS U2.

Understand the feelings.


209 posted on 12/28/2004 9:48:43 AM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING IT'S POWER. I TIM 3:5)
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To: Quix

Thanks! (I need all I can get)


210 posted on 12/28/2004 9:49:56 AM PST by netmilsmom (God send you a Blessed 2005!)
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To: netmilsmom

U R WELCOME!

ME 2 need all the help I can get--especially from Father God!


211 posted on 12/28/2004 9:51:58 AM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING IT'S POWER. I TIM 3:5)
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To: SheLion

You need to be slapped up side of the head...ignorant Christian...SHHEESSH!


212 posted on 12/28/2004 9:53:07 AM PST by antivenom ("Never argue with an idiot, he'll bring you down to his level - then beat you with experience.")
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To: RadioAstronomer; El Gato; livius; Elisha_Ben_Abuya
Thanks to those who corrected my error. I am chagrined that I forgot about the role of the tides as energy dissipators which act to "absorb" and thereby redistribute angular momentum from the earth-moon and earth-sun systems.

Additional thanks to RadioAstronomer for his exceedingly informative dissertation. Your discussion of the subject of the "parsec" brought back memories of my sophomore year in high school, when I was introduced to the parsec as a unit of astronomical measurement. I couldn't make sense of it at the time because (I thought) wouldn't it get smaller as the distance to the celestial target grew bigger? In other words, an object one parsec away would have to be at twice the distance of an object two parsecs away, right? Well, anyway, I got so frustrated with this concept in high school, and with my inability to articulate my quandry to the teacher in terms that he could understand, that it made me give up on astronomy completely, thinking that "any field that makes basic measurements with so crazy a unit of measure must not be science at all."

And to livius, and Elisha_Ben_Abuya, the original askers of the question: isn't FreeRepublic great!

(steely)

213 posted on 12/28/2004 10:45:43 AM PST by Steely Tom (Fortunately, fhe Bill of Rights doesn't include the word 'is'.)
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To: antivenom
Be nice.

If she chooses to honor God by typing out the whole word then that's her right.

You don't have to do it if you don't want to, you can honor Him in your way.

If you guys are afraid to type the word God, fearing it shows disrespect then how do you speak the word God?

Get some perspective. Try to stop acting like a liberal and forcing your beliefs on others.

214 posted on 12/28/2004 11:00:36 AM PST by Freedom Dignity n Honor
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity; NYer; Canticle_of_Deborah; broadsword; Maeve; ndkos; glasgow; ...

We live in time filled with signs and wonders. This is an era of divine chastisement and tribulation which our individual and corporate sins have merited - especially for ignoring numerous previous warning from heaven. Out clergy are particularly guilty of this.

Yes there are passages in scripture which refer to whole islands being moved, etc., and to gross upheavals in nature. Such is the will of God for us, due to the gross and repeated disobedience of mankind.

If you want my spin on this - that region of the globe affected is one particularly known for widespread child prostitution & pornography......and a culture of tourism based upon this sickness. Sounds like a good enough reason by itself!!!

But it is also a precursor of things to come.....to Europe, and to the USA. We are not immune. The famous stgmatist and visionary Theresa Neumann said when asked by US soldiers who visited here during WWII if the US would be invaded in future tribulation.

In her reply she did not necessarlu deny or discount that that could happen, bu she specifly stated that the US would be brought to its knees economicly by weather changes and natural disasters.

Hold on - its gonna get bumpy!


215 posted on 12/28/2004 11:08:07 AM PST by thor76 (Vade retro, Draco! Crux sacra sit mihi lux! St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle!)
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To: No_Outcome_But_Victory; Admin Moderator

I started one, but told Admin to feel free to add/move/delete if needed.


216 posted on 12/28/2004 11:17:51 AM PST by redgolum (Blessed Christmas to all! And to all a good night)
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To: thor76
Agree with you Thor.

I am one of those who spend a lot of time reading the Bible. While it does get tempting to try to read the prophecies and place them in the newspaper, the reality as Peter told us, we probably shouldn't try.

What we can do now is pray for those who lost family. Not all of the people in that area were non Christians, or involved in child prostitution. I am looking for places to donate aid, and would like to have it sent through a Christian relief and/or missionary organization.
217 posted on 12/28/2004 11:22:19 AM PST by redgolum (Blessed Christmas to all! And to all a good night)
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To: redgolum

True that all in that area are not involved in the child sex trade. But then again - not all here are involved in abortion. And we are - and will be - punished for this sin.

But God punishes both the just and the unjust together - it is his way. Christ told us as much. Such is also self evident in Scripture.


218 posted on 12/28/2004 11:55:32 AM PST by thor76 (Vade retro, Draco! Crux sacra sit mihi lux! St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle!)
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To: netmilsmom
Would you be willing to tutor my kids?

Glad too! I love teaching. :-) Long distance tutoring is a bit of a reach though. (pun intended) Sigh.

219 posted on 12/28/2004 12:12:45 PM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: Steely Tom

Thanks :-)

(psstt... I hated Parsecs too at first! Just don't tell anyone. :-))


220 posted on 12/28/2004 12:13:48 PM PST by RadioAstronomer
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