Posted on 12/22/2004 7:05:54 AM PST by Graybeard58
With all the accolades heaped on Robert Ziegler last night, it looked at times like his bosses were giving him a commendation rather than firing him.
Robert Ziegler, right, hugs Papillion-La Vista High Principal Jim Glover after being fired by the district's school board Tuesday.
Ziegler, 24, a Papillion-La Vista High School math teacher, was described as a "a marvelous young man," "an asset to the community," "honest, candid, capable."
"I hope my son can turn out to be as fine a gentleman as Mr. Ziegler," said Rick Black, an assistant superintendent for the Papillion-La Vista schools.
But Ziegler's bosses also said he repeatedly disobeyed their orders to stop preaching and start teaching.
Black and two other administrators said Ziegler had repeatedly talked about his personal religious beliefs in class, triggering complaints from students and a parent, and would not stop, even after his bosses told him it could cost him his job.
After taking testimony from the administrators and from Ziegler for two hours and 40 minutes Tuesday night, the Papillion-La Vista School Board voted 6-0 to terminate Ziegler's teaching contract on grounds of insubordination and unprofessional conduct.
Board President Valerie Fisher said the evidence was "clear." The board deliberated about 50 minutes.
Afterward, Ziegler said he would not challenge the decision in court. He did not have a lawyer, and he called no witnesses.
About 75 people - including some of his family members from the Riverton, Neb., area - attended the special hearing, which Ziegler requested to plead his case to the board.
Ziegler was a second-year teacher who got his bachelor's degree from Bethel College in Mishawaka, Ind. Bethel is an evangelical Christian college affiliated with the Missionary Church.
At the hearing, he told board members that his case was their opportunity to "make a stand for God."
"You're either for him or against him" he said.
Ziegler said that as a teacher he saw 120 students a day, many with "issues and worries" that were barriers to learning. By giving up their cares to Jesus, the students would be free to learn, he said.
The district's lawyer, Kelley Baker, however, asserted that the law clearly prohibits teachers from imposing their religious beliefs on students and from praying with or in the presence of them.
In a legal brief for the board, Baker wrote that school districts that fail to stop improper practices regarding religion can be held liable for a teacher's actions.
"School administrators have both the right and the obligation to direct teachers not to engage in such activity during school, and to stop it if they are already engaging in it," Baker wrote.
Jerry Kalina, an assistant principal at the high school, testified that a co-teacher from Ziegler's classroom first reported Oct. 4 that Ziegler was talking to students about his religious beliefs in class.
Ziegler was told to stop, but the co-teacher reported on Nov. 1 that he was doing it again, Kalina said.
A few days later, a student came to Kalina's office and said Ziegler was talking about his faith and that it upset her, Kalina said. The student said Ziegler had stopped her in the hall and asked if he could pray for her. She told him she felt uncomfortable while he prayed.
The girl's mother complained on Nov. 8 that she expected her daughter to learn math, not religion, in the class, Kalina said.
Kalina said he again told Ziegler to stop.
He said Ziegler was encouraged to talk to his minister and to contact former Cornhuskers receivers coach Ron Brown to get advice on how to juggle his beliefs and his teaching duties.
On Nov. 16, a student again raised the issue of Ziegler speaking about religion in class, Kalina said. The student said Ziegler wrote on the board "What inspires you to love people?" and another time "If you were to die today, what would you put on your tombstone, and why?"
The next day, a teacher reported that a student was not doing well in algebra because she felt uncomfortable asking Ziegler for help, Kalina said.
Ziegler was placed on administrative leave, with pay, on Nov. 18.
Kalina testified that he would "absolutely" like to have Ziegler back in the classroom, but only if he met one condition: "That he stop talking about Jesus Christ."
"My opinion is Mr. Ziegler was hired to teach math," he said. "And math instruction must come first."
Ziegler testified that his faith was too strong to set it aside.
"What they are telling me to do is in direct contradiction to what my authority, my God, is telling all believers to do," Ziegler said.
He admitted that on some days he spent up to 10 minutes per class discussing religion, though school officials said they had reports of longer periods.
Jim Glover, the principal at Papillion-La Vista High School, said Ziegler wasn't the first teacher he'd seen with strong beliefs.
"Over the last 32 years, there have been a number who have struggled as Rob has struggled. All were able to eventually make the separation," he said.
School board member Jim Thompson said that in eight years on the board, the hearing was the "toughest" meeting he'd attended.
Thompson said he hoped Ziegler could find a teaching job where professing his faith is "not only legal, but encouraged."
Cassie Young, 16, a student in one of Ziegler's pre-algebra classes, was among several students who left the hearing teary-eyed after the board announced its decision.
Young said the decision was "one more way of kicking God out of school."
"The law of man is wrong, and one day everyone will know that," she said.
Now good luck finding a single federal court that has ever upheld behavior equivalent to this teacher's.
The fact that the ACLJ, etc hasn't rushed to file a lawsuit on his behalf should tell you something.
The Muslims aren't the religion being attacked in the U.S. They ARE allowed to preach the Koran but don't try preaching the Bible. Verboten!
Fine. Now he has more time to devote toward that goal unhindered by having to pretend to teach math classes.
If your child converted to Islam based on the views of his math teacher, you would be happy for him?
I once listened to a Math professor tell a story in class of escaping Nazi Germany. I did not mind the history lesson in the least.
Wherefore art thee O Diveristy ?
Good! I'm glad this guy was fired. Serves him right. This is a MATH class not a Sunday school class.
Then you agree with the other posters that would have no problem with the math teacher preaching Islam?
Math teachers preach Islam all the time.
In the Middle East
What's the matter ? Aren't there enough Muslim countries in the world ?
A) I have no problem with my kids' math teacher preaching Islam
B)I have a problem with my kids' math teacher preaching Islam
Only if you're willing to say that pagan imagery, promotion of Islam, secularist anti-values, and the rest foisted on innocent children in the name of 'diversity' or 'environmentalism' must also be removed. But you won't say that, will you?
Do your children go to the school noted in the article ?
I disagree.
Only if you're willing to say that pagan imagery, promotion of Islam, secularist anti-values, and the rest foisted on innocent children in the name of 'diversity' or 'environmentalism' must also be removed.
Then you agree that he should be fired and go to work in a private Christian school?
Where is one most likely to hear talk of a vague 'fact' of evolution on a college campus? The biology classroom - or the physics lecture hall?
Where is one most likely to encounter unthinking radical feminism? In philosophy - or a history class?
You have to object to all that, as well. That thinking pervades socialist academia, and is the betrayal of all the hard work those kids put in, and for all their parents sacrifice to get them there. You must object to what they encounter there, as well, and back down into k-12.
You sure are evading the question.
And so she will. It'll be interesting to see how she ends up.
Education without God is child abuse.
I already answered your question. It floated right by you.
If the public school system wants to teach that up is down, black is white, and 2 moms is better than 1 mom and 1 dad, then let them.
"As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord."
Let the dead bury the dead.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.