Posted on 12/22/2004 7:05:54 AM PST by Graybeard58
Agreed
"But we know that you have lied about this from the beginning so I don't expect you to own up now."
Repeating yourself ad nauseum doesnt make it any more true, doofus.
Merry Christmas!
But the posted flower was related to your previous post.
I am saying that we should not be ignorant on the religions of the world.
Your question is "how do we know its God talking" ? is a good one. If you were not so anti-God, i might try to address it rationally. Let me just say, you wouldn't know him if he hit you in the head.
A good article on resolving conflict the Christian way.
http://www.reformed.com/pub/conflict.htm
But you're so good at it ;)
Very Christian reply.
How do you know ?
John
Chapter 10
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1 2 "Amen, amen, I say to you, whoever does not enter a sheepfold through the gate but climbs over elsewhere is a thief and a robber.
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But whoever enters through the gate is the shepherd of the sheep.
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The gatekeeper opens it for him, and the sheep hear his voice, as he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.
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3 When he has driven out all his own, he walks ahead of them, and the sheep follow him, because they recognize his voice.
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But they will not follow a stranger; they will run away from him, because they do not recognize the voice of strangers."
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Although Jesus used this figure of speech, 4 they did not realize what he was trying to tell them.
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5 So Jesus said again, "Amen, amen, I say to you, I am the gate for the sheep.
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6 All who came [before me] are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them.
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I am the gate. Whoever enters through me will be saved, and will come in and go out and find pasture.
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A thief comes only to steal and slaughter and destroy; I came so that they might have life and have it more abundantly.
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I am the good shepherd. A good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.
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A hired man, who is not a shepherd and whose sheep are not his own, sees a wolf coming and leaves the sheep and runs away, and the wolf catches and scatters them.
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This is because he works for pay and has no concern for the sheep.
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I am the good shepherd, and I know mine and mine know me,
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just as the Father knows me and I know the Father; and I will lay down my life for the sheep.
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I have other sheep 7 that do not belong to this fold. These also I must lead, and they will hear my voice, and there will be one flock, one shepherd.
The gatekeeper opens it for him, and the sheep hear his voice, as he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.
Observation of those claiming to be Christian.
Repeating yourself ad nauseum doesnt make it any more true, doofus.
Um, that one wasn't me. I'm more civil than to accuse someone of lying. I think you're genuine in your arguments. We just happen to disagree on this issue.
I'm sorry, BGC, I got the response mixed up.
I knew it was WildTurkey and not you.
Sorry for the mix up, and BTW I regard your responses as rational and sincere though I think we part on about 24.3% of the implications on all this.
Merry Christmas.
Exodus Chapter 21 : All God's rules for slavery are here
Lev 19:20-22: "And whosoever lieth carnally with a woman, that is a bondmaid, betrothed to an husband, and not at all redeemed, nor freedom given her; she shall be scourged; they shall not be put to death, because she was not free. And he shall bring his trespass offering unto the LORD, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, even a ram for a trespass offering. And the priest shall make an atonement for him with the ram of the trespass offering before the LORD for his sin which he hath done: and the sin which he hath done shall be forgiven him."
Deu 20:14"But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself"
Col.3:22 "Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God."
1 Tim.6:1 "Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed."
Tit.2:9-10 "Exhort servants to be obedient unto their own masters, and to please them well in all things; not answering again; Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things."
1 Pet.2:18 "Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward."
1 Cor.14:34-36 "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church."
Eph.5:22-24 "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing."
Col.3:18 "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord."
1 Tim.2:11-15 "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing
1 Pet.3:1 "Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands."
Ex.22:18 "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live."
Lev 20:27 A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them.
Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
I Pet 2:13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.
Tit 3:1 Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates,
Gal 5:20-21...variance..seditions...of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
You haven't shown any new Testament verses "that say slavery is moral, subjugation of women is moral, hunting down (I'm assuming that you mean killing) people who claim to be witches is moral, and dictatorships are moral."
I've read them all as well as others, Multiple times, They are pretty clear in any context
You haven't shown any new Testament verses
Not that it matters since I've included the NT, but since when doesn't the OT count? Is it not part of the Bible and not the word of God? If it doesn't what's the deal with all these ID & 10 Commandments being pushed everywhere.
"that say slavery is moral, subjugation of women is moral, hunting down (I'm assuming that you mean killing) people who claim to be witches is moral, and dictatorships are moral."
HUH?
There may not be the exact quote "XXXX is moral" but, HELLO, When there are not only no condemantion of these practices but instructions directly from God (who supposedly all morals come from) on what exactly to do and/or how to follow them it's pretty clear the Bible is giving a stamp of approve to these things. Unless you want to argue that God is telling people to do/follow immoral acts.
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