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Feeney Implicated in Vote Fraud Congressman sought to alter totals, testimony in Ohio case says
Seminole Chronicle ^ | December 16, 2004 | By Alex Babcock

Posted on 12/20/2004 8:24:57 PM PST by Uncle Vlad

Republican Congressman Tom Feeney of Oviedo asked a computer programmer in September 2000, prior to that year's contested presidential vote in Florida, to write software that could alter vote totals on touch-screen voting machines, the programmer said.

Former computer programmer Clint Curtis made the claim Monday in sworn testimony to Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee investigating allegations of voter fraud in the 2004 presidential election involving touch-screen voting in Ohio.

In his testimony, Curtis said that Feeney, then a member of the Florida House of Representative, met with Curtis and other employees of Yang Enterprises, an Oviedo software company, and asked if the company could create a program that would allow a user to alter the vote totals while using the touch-screen machine. The program had to be written so that even the human-readable computer code would not show its illicit capabilities, Curtis recalled.

Curtis said he wrote a prototype program for Feeney, and that he believed the program might not only be usable on touch-screen voting machines, which some counties - predominantly in South Florida - now use, but also on optical-scan machines, which most of the state's counties used in the 2004 elections.

Feeney could not be reached for comment.

Michael O'Quinn, an attorney for Yang Enterprises, said Curtis' claims are outrageous and that Feeney never discussed such a program with the company. He said Feeney's only relationship with the company was as its legal counsel. Feeney worked at the law firm with O'Quinn until 2002, when he resigned after being elected to Congress.

"I immediately assumed that he was trying to keep you guys from cheating," Curtis told Democrats at the hearing Monday. Curtis further said that Li Woan Yang, a co-owner of the company, told him that, "We need to hide the fraud in the source code, not reveal the fraud, because it's needed to control the vote in South Florida."

Curtis, who formerly lived in Oviedo, quit the software company in December 2000, after the November 2000 election that preceded Feeney rise to become speaker of the Florida House.

"I left because all of the meetings with Feeney let me know I wasn't in a situation I wanted to be in," he said in an interview with the Chronicle. "He's in there selling contracts, telling us how to bid them, special little formulas being employed, how you get right point structure. They were going to limit how many vendors could apply to government contracts so only connected vendors could get on the approved list."

O'Quinn confirmed that Curtis resigned, but said he told the company he got a job in another state. Curtis ended up working for the Florida Department of Transportation. O'Quinn also disputed the allegation that Feeney helped work on government bids, saying Feeney was careful to avoid such work because of ethics rules. Feeney "played no role whatsoever" in helping Yang secure government contracts, O'Quinn said. The company currently does work for NASA, the state Department of Transportation and other companies.

Yang Enterprises, in a statement released to the public, said Curtis' allegations are "categorically untrue."

Democrats and independent groups are challenging presidential election results in Ohio, and have claimed that irregularities in some precinct results might have been caused by tampering with electronic voting machines.

Curtis said he has been trying to get attention drawn to his claims since shortly after leaving Yang Enterprises, but has had difficulty until this year. After watching a news report about voting machines in Florida being installed at precincts without having their software inspected, he said he redoubled his effort to get public attention.

"People finally care," Curtis told the Chronicle. "Coming forward isn't the problem, it's people caring."

The Democrats are listening, as is a non-partisan government watchdog group called Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington. The group, which began working with Curtis in early December, is working to verify elements of his story.

Curtis says he is also working with the FBI to investigate another claim he has made against Yang, that the company is spying on NASA. In its response, the company said that the man named by Curtis as the recipient of NASA-related information has never worked for the company.

The company also says Curtis' claims are based on a grudge he has with the company. O'Quinn said he's also being motivated by money.

The Justice Through Music Project, a nonprofit organization that engages young people about political issues, has offered $200,000 for proof of election fraud in 2004.

Curtis said he has not pursued that money, which has not been offered to him.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: feeney; fishingexpedition; ohio; votefraud
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To: NutCrackerBoy
I had no idea the hallucinations had triggered a House investigation.

I don't think its a "House investigation" though the Democrats are trying to portray it as that (and the media is going out of its way not to make it clear).

I think these guys are holding their "hearings" in a Motel 6 lobby in Littleville, Ohio. Might be the same place they held the "Winter Soldier" investigations. Might even be the same witnesses.
21 posted on 12/20/2004 9:02:52 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: okie01

If Feeney had asked him anything at all, it would have been because he didn't trust touch-screen machines in the first place, and wanted to find reasons for OPPOSING them at the state level. Other than that one possibility, it's all hogwash.


22 posted on 12/20/2004 9:06:20 PM PST by FreeKeys ('Rats finally achieve their giant govt & ONLY AFTERWARDS see it can all fall into the "wrong" hands!)
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To: okie01
Can you even imagine an incredibly corrupt but highly intelligent pol making such a request in front of a programmer?

Nope.

I think Curtis is an incompetent figuring on streching 15 minutes of fame into a jackpot.

23 posted on 12/20/2004 9:07:19 PM PST by Navy Patriot (I'm gonna hear it for this.)
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To: Uncle Vlad
I work in the IT industry, and the idea that a handful of people could write a program and sneak it into voting machines is just so insane, it's almost laughable. Where, for example, is the source code in the software on the machines in question?

If you have access to the source code it wouldn't be that hard to do.

24 posted on 12/20/2004 9:32:45 PM PST by LPM1888 (What are the facts? Again and again and again -- what are the facts? - Lazarus Long)
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To: Uncle Vlad

All that has to be done is to ask this guy to produce the software either on media or the printed out source code. :-)


25 posted on 12/20/2004 9:55:29 PM PST by El Gran Salseron (My wife just won the "Inmate of the Month Award!" :-))
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To: Uncle Vlad

As a programmer and someone who has put together teams of developers to work on larger-scale projects, you would not tell the programmers why they were creating this program. You would tell the programmer that you need to balance an equation on an inventory system that weights certain criteria differently in order to help the company maintain certain levels of inventory.

So, we need a system that will increase the amount of a purchase order by 1 for each 8 that are ordered. They will need to write this program into our existing secure software and it must be adjustable for management, but secure from others attempts to hack. Then you ask, can you do it?

You give them the source code and they go to work. Then you have to get the new source code into the system unnoticed and then test it. It obviously will not work perfectly the first time, or even the second time. So you would probably have three runs on the system. Then you have to disseminate the code changes throughout the system and install the correct update parameters to ensure that votes are increased by different margins within each county so that you do not over poll the population.

It would be a conspiracy of enormous proportions across many fields of expertise. In other words, impossible to conceal. I liken it to trying to rig he playoffs of professional baseball. Not impossible, but you would have to have all of the players in the bag. And dumb luck could sink the whole thing. Not worth it, even if Hitler was running with a D behind his name.


26 posted on 12/20/2004 9:55:52 PM PST by dannyboy72 (How long will you hold onto the rope to save the life of a liberal?)
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To: LPM1888

While it might not be that hard to write the software, how are you going to get it into voting machines that are maintained, operated, programmed, and kept by Democrats in Democrat voting districts?????????

If the software has already been written, they should pony up with it. Let's see it!!!!!


27 posted on 12/20/2004 10:00:16 PM PST by TexasGreg ("Democrats Piss Me Off")
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To: Uncle Vlad

The DU moonbats are well - you know, its no longer trying to overturn this election... its setting up an impeachment case against the President. As for the allegations, they strike me as ridiculous. If the VRWC was involved in altering the vote totals in Floriduh, its a well kept secret! Actually this overlooks the fact the election canvassing boards in Democratic counties were run by Democrats. They recounted and recounted the votes for Algore and despite their best efforts, he still couldn't win! The sore losers just don't want to face up to the fact they lost and its time to move on. I don't really understand all this Bush hatred - its getting these people nowhere.


28 posted on 12/20/2004 10:01:08 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Uncle Vlad
I just thank our lucky stars that the Democrats are looking at this silly angle and not at the mind control rays we're all using on them. Oops. I wasn't supposed to mention that on an open forum.
29 posted on 12/20/2004 10:02:45 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (This space for rant)
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To: Darkwolf377
The DUmmies have been salivating over Curtis for days.

Trolling DU looking for nuts - A new guilty pleasure.

30 posted on 12/20/2004 10:03:49 PM PST by writmeister
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To: Uncle Vlad
This is what it is, a bogus complait that is likely funded by some dim wit dem.

Great fodder for DU and Maxine Waters.

31 posted on 12/20/2004 10:07:33 PM PST by Cold Heat (What are fears but voices awry?Whispering harm where harm is not and deluding the unwary. Wordsworth)
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To: TexasGreg
how are you going to get it into voting machines that are maintained, operated, programmed, and kept by Democrats in Democrat voting districts?????????

A prom programmer. But I do not know what type of system they are using.

A good one would require a computer, like a lap top and a interface program, or a specially made device.

But one can read and reprogram any EPROM based system, just like a car computer with a homemade device or even store bought in some cases.

The thing that stops this sort of treachery is the preop test prior to use. These tests are designed to find failures in the logic. Usually a ladder logic type of program. Bugs should be easy to find.

32 posted on 12/20/2004 10:16:38 PM PST by Cold Heat (What are fears but voices awry?Whispering harm where harm is not and deluding the unwary. Wordsworth)
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To: Cold Heat
I have been spreading the rumor that the electronic machines were fixed to divert votes, by dark fingers sensed touching the screen, to Bush. Maybe this is the result. LOL

It is really fun to harass paranoids. I never thought to say that it was "super secret probation" (Animal House) code that no one could detect.

Bwaaahaaahaaaa The Rats are really losing it.
33 posted on 12/20/2004 10:29:41 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: shubi

Well, they sure don't need much of a push to go over the edge.


34 posted on 12/20/2004 10:33:55 PM PST by Cold Heat (What are fears but voices awry?Whispering harm where harm is not and deluding the unwary. Wordsworth)
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To: writmeister
"Trolling DU looking for nuts - A new guilty pleasure."

I have to admit it's my new vice. SOmeone posted a link here and I clicked on it, and it was everything I imagined it to be. I am critical of some postings here but holy cow, what a bunch of eggbrains! (scrambled)

35 posted on 12/20/2004 10:42:38 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Atheist federal employees-- demand to work on Christmas!)
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To: Uncle Vlad
This story is an utter crock, a lie by a disgruntled employee meant to get publicity and extract a settlement from or do harm to a former employer. In addition to the implausibility of the claim, I know Tom Feeney to be smart, honest, and careful. I have know him personally since he first ran for office, and I did extensive work on that campaign and on two of his later campaigns. Tom simply would not be involved in that kind of thing and would recoil from the suggestion.
36 posted on 12/20/2004 11:15:44 PM PST by Rockingham
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To: Cold Heat
This is what it is, a bogus complaint that is likely funded by some dimwit dem. Great fodder for DU and Maxine Waters.

Good point. The people running this "investigation" have so little technical expertise, they probably think television works because there are little people inside of it.

Wasn't it Sheila Jackson Lee, for example, who asked the NASA people if the Mars space probe was going to land on Mars near the place where the Apollo 11 astronauts landed in 1969?

37 posted on 12/21/2004 5:13:41 AM PST by Uncle Vlad
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To: Uncle Vlad
Laugh all you want but this story will get spread around and another group of people will believe it. Slowly our elections are being held up for ridicule. From the gold standard to 3rd world level in the eyes of many. This has repercussions far beyond our own borders. Our young men are dying in Iraq to provide elections there, and lying democrats and socialist operatives of George Soros are doing their best to erode the electoral system here.

Soros and his ilk would like nothing better than to see us in the situation the Ukraine is in. In Washington State, we are.

38 posted on 12/21/2004 5:25:58 AM PST by Jack Black
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To: Jack Black
My concern is that there are enough stupid people out there who will believe this nonsense. If they'll believe "tax breaks for the rich" and all of the other urban legend drivel the left trowels out, we have to be especially vigilant. Few things are more dangerous than hysterical stupid people.
39 posted on 12/21/2004 5:32:10 AM PST by Uncle Vlad
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To: Uncle Vlad
...Former computer programmer Clint Curtis...

Why is he a former computer programmer?

Feeney could not be reached for comment.

Did the paper even try?

40 posted on 12/21/2004 5:35:55 AM PST by mewzilla
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