Kids at YMCA swim meet run into cross-dressing ball

http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-ymca20.html ^

[freespirited]

As I recall, it was the one who suddenly got married in her 60's or there abouts.

No, that was Gloria Steinem. Patricia Ireland is the one who was CEO of the YWCA for a short time after she left NOW.

[NYer]

11 p.m. Saturday through 8 a.m. Sunday for a fashion show and ball, which featured cross-dressing and transgender models in a competition

Like vampires ... they only come out at night? The only all night event I ever attended was a Jewish wedding.

Catholic Ping - please freepmail me if you want on/off this list

[todd1]

I have seen straight kids get sucked into the gay scene because of the easy access to drugs and the attention they get from their peers. Many of the Gay's that frequent after hour clubs are older and can easily manipulate the younger kids that go in there to party. They will have certain nights at the gay club called "straight night" but one gay guy told me that they consider it fresh meat night...

[johnnycap]

Sounds decidedly predatory...my own opinion is that there is no 100% aggressor and 100% victim in these cases. I think on one level or another both people are needing 9or missing), something and both people choose to either actively participate or not to actively resist.

[todd1]

I agree...

[Docbarleypop]

thanks for the warning about the college, i start up this spring at UofMinnesota and was planning to do all my excercising at the U's facilities, maybe not now.

[nw_arizona_granny]

In the News/Activism forum, on a thread titled Kids at YMCA swim meet
run into cross-dressing ball , freespirited wrote:
As I recall, it was the one who suddenly got married in her 60's or there
abouts.

No, that was Gloria Steinem. Patricia Ireland is the one who was CEO of
the YWCA for a short time after she left NOW.

---

Good that someone knows who I am thinking of. The name I had
in my mind was Gloria, but then I have been wrong before.

Thank you for having the facts to fill out my poor memory.

But then, I wouldn't want either of those gals around my kids.

[little jeremiah]

Homosexual Agenda Ping.

More sewage from the "gay" life.

A. Sickening that the YMCA which used to be a valuable organization has now become a homosexual gathering place.

B. Sickening that the "gay" life pushers are being obvious about their youth outreach.

C. Note the comment:

"It was like they didn't want the kids to see the gay people at all,"

IOW, After "Hatespeech" comes "HateThoughtCrimes". We must allow our children and ourselves to see "gay" people. If we don't want our children or ourselves to see, smell and hear homosexuals, we're guilty of hate.

Any guesses on how much worse it's going to get before things start changing for the better?

Let me know if anyone wants on/off this pinglist.

[little jeremiah]

You both need to read the comment below,from this thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1303549/posts?q=1&&page=1

{BTW, you are both very, very wrong. Homosexuals take advantage of kids who are in need of emotional support generally due to poor parenting. Homosexuals prey on weakness. You cannot blame a young kid for not resisting a relationship which often starts non-sexual. And when the culture is telling kids that "gay is good", they have not internalized moral guidelines to help them. All you are doing is lending the homosexual chicken hawks credibility, which is disgusting.)

To: robertpaulsen; little jeremiah; dsc; sportutegrl; broadsword; MineralMan; andie74
"But I find it absolutely incredible that a teen would put up with this "abuse" for seven frickin' years without uttering a word to anyone, or trying to remove themselves from the situation."
(little jeremiah, you can ping the rest of the list to this post if you feel it would be worthwhile)

RP. Let me clear something up for you by sharing a little of my history.

My father had no clue as to how to raise children. As a result neither myself nor my older brother had a good relationship with him. Because of the way he treated my brother, my brother wanted nothing to do with dad. He didn't want to be like him in any way. Even to the point of getting trapped in Same-sex Attraction disorder (SAD). (yes, my brother is a faggot and hates my dad to this day). Boys need adult male attention. If they don't get it in a healthy way from their fathers then they'll be more vulnerable to getting it in an abusive way from someone else.

I was in this same exact circumstance as the boy from the article when I was 13. My parents had gotten a divorce and while dad was still around we had never had a good relationship. He was interested in bowling and golf and dartball and doing what he wanted to do and I was just someone to do work around the house and be beaten if I got out of line.

One day my brother brought home one of his older friends who was supposedly a psychologist doing studies on SADs. (In reality he was a SAD himself looking for fresh meat). This guy recognized the need in me for adult attention and took advantage of it. (Don't kid yourself people, the signs of emotionally neglected children are very easy to detect and very easy to take advantage of. That's why every SAD must be considered, and treated as a molester when it comes to being around kids)

Over a period of a couple months he 'seduced' and molested me. The first step was to give me that male attention that every boy needs. He was very affirming (you're a great young man. etc) and attentive. He took me places and we did things together. (exactly what Big Brothers are supposed to be doing).

But then things changed. He molested me one night and I was left very confused. It was not a violent thing at all (and I'd guess for most victims it is never violent. Why scare off the fresh meat). Physically it felt good. (the genitals have a mind of their own and don't really care how they are made to feel good). Mentally, I knew that it was wrong. But I liked this guy and trusted him, he had become a father figure to me. So I didn't turn him in.

Life would have been much better for me if I had put a bullet in his head that same day.

So over the course of several years the abuse continued. While the mental anguish was always there he was giving me the attention that I so desperately needed. What do I choose, give up the adult attention that I wasn't getting from my dad or turn the guy in for being a pervert? I wasn't strong enough to do without the attention. (Cut me some slack here I was just a kid) The only thing that stopped the abuse was when he moved to a different state. Of course I never (except once) heard from him again. In hindsight his whole plan is perfectly clear.

While my family was suspicious. (Mothers and Fathers: NEVER let your kids stay over night at any single man's house. NEVER! No matter what they tell you.) They thought everything was OK because I told them it was OK. I was a pretty bright, apparently strong kid and they knew I'd not let myself get into trouble.

What they didn't know was that inside I had this huge hole that only a dad could fill and I was trying to fill it another way. That only left me wallowing in shame and guilt.

There are three characteristics shared by almost all SADs. Being sexual or mentally abused, Having a poor relationship with one's father and being relentlessly teased by one's peers during the formative years. I unfortunately suffered under all of these.

After several years struggling with my sexual identity, God blessed me and saved me. I can look back now and see that He kept me from falling off the deep end so many times and He kept me from doing permanent damage to myself or others.

I eventually met a beautiful young lady and got married but still struggled with wrong thoughts and feelings of guilt and shame. God again blessed me and restored my innocence. But first I had to forgive my attacker and realize that he too was mentally ill and had been victimized.

For some reason you can't really forgive yourself (even though you've done nothing wrong) until you forgive your attacker.

No one is a 'homosexual' they are only mentally ill due to trauma. Some choose to get well and others choose to remain sick. God helped me choose to get well.

So cut the kid from the article some slack. Unless you've been in his shoes you can't really understand.


40 posted on 12/20/2004 6:05:34 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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[johnnycap]

Like I said:

"I think on one level or another both people are needing (or missing), something and both people choose to either actively participate or not to actively resist."

-doesn't sound wrong to me...sounds like we're saying the same thing only you chose to give us all the details.

[John O]

"It was like they didn't want the kids to see the gay people at all," said Kashma Avery, in a recorded interview provided by WBBM-AM (780). Avery was in charge of a 13-member security detail for the ball, which he said was attended by about 400 people, most of them gay men.

Of course they didn't! According to the third law of homosexuality:

Any exposure of children to homosexual behavior is child abuse

[NRA1995]

"I can't believe the YMCA would allow this kind of garbage to take place on their premises"

Why do you think the Village People did a song about the YMCA??

[DBeers]

This is too weird to comment on, but the Village People come to mind.

ROTFL

[cyncooper]

LOL

I know about that, but most people don't expect those "goings on".

[todd1]

You obviously did not read my comment I made earlier... I am saying that both parties are responsible to an extent.

[Nice50BMG]

YMCA...

YOUNG

MENS'

CHRISTIAN

ASSOCIATION

What the heck happened here?!

The "Mission Statement" of the National YMCA is:

"To put Christian principles into practice through programs that build healthy spirit, mind and body for all."

What is the Christian principle surrounding drag-queen shows?!

[John Robertson]

This may seem extreme, but the YMCA has become one of the most liberal, PC institutions in the land. Everything's... for the children. Screw adults. Normal adults, that is.

[John Robertson]

Our local Y SCRUBBED the Judeo-Christian precepts from its mission statement. Some of us members put up the redacted wording on ebay, as a protest.

[John Robertson]

Is there any way for the Christians to take back the YMCA from these MORONS?

Only through a concerted effort. The YMCA has become PC, diverse, and is pushing inexorably toward full secularism--or rather, the modern American version of "secularism," which is to include everything and every one BUT Christianity and Christians.

[Conspiracy Guy]

Young man, there's a place you can go.
I said, young man when you're short on your dough.