BUSH PENTAGON MOVING TO FORCE WOMEN INTO LAND COMBAT (Center for Military Readiness Bulletin)

Center for Military Readiness ^ | 12/9/2004 | Elaine Donnelly

[huac]

"Officials Ignore DoD Rules, Congressional Notification Law"... "The United States Army plans to force female soldiers into land combat units, despite current regulations and a law requiring prior notice to Congress. CMR has learned that some Army leaders believe there might not be enough male soldiers to fill the new “unit of action” combat brigades. They are therefore making incremental changes in policy that will soon force young unprepared women—many of them mothers—to fight in land combat."

[NittanyLion]

Again, I say, women perform at a lower level, because we only require that level, and not because they can not achieve the same.

Then why do women never win marathons? The races are run coed - they start and finish at the same line as the men. According to your logic this is just the environment required for women to match men in physical prowess. So how many women have won in Boston and NYC?

[cynicom]

"Don't we have female cops all over the United States?"

Few nights ago on program called "Cops" on Court TV, two female cops were in a bar trying to handcuff a male , they could'nt do it. A civilian had to help them. So much for female cops and Army grunts.

[dakine]

Women can't "pull their own weight" in the military culture... saying it is societal/physiological is not going to change reality...

[gogogodzilla]

Nahh, just create 'all-female' combat platoons, companies, battalions, divisions, etc.

That way, no male will lose his life to the inability of women to do the job. At the same time, the women will push their co-workers to achieve the male standards because THEY will know that if the standard isn't met, there will be no man to save them.

Women in the military have had lower standards and an easy ride knowing that a man would pick up the slack. Putting the women into an 'all-female' unit will ensure that they will pull their own weight, as there will be no one to do it but themselves.

And if the 'all-female' combat units suffer large numbers of casualties... Well, the feminists won't be able to complain, as they got what they wanted. As for the rest of America, I think that they'd be very upset to learn that the casualties were caused by liberal feminist policy.

There would be happy liberals and American voters angry at the same happy liberals, which would equal more Republicans voted into office.

Which would lead to less women in the military.

Altogether, that would be a win-win situation.

:-)

[JesseHousman]

Ah, this is more great news for America! Thanks Mr. President.

Any nation that places their women on a battlefront isn't worth defending!

[shellshocked]

Women already are in combat, as fighter pilots and as military police.

[Rebelbase]

BUSH OFFERS WOMEN OPPORTUNITY TO FIGHT IN COMBAT

A more appropriate headline that we will never see.

[UCANSEE2]

Women are not well adapted to the leaking phase of expelling bodily fluids.

God designed them very well, and it is a process that seems to work without fail. There was a time that Tampons did not exist. I guess women were helpless back then.

Forget the entire body-strength argument.

Sure, ultimate high end physical performance, male. But, to be in combat, one must only meet certain physical standards. Can enough women meet that standard? Certainly. But if they aren't going to be held to it, they never will.

Women leak blood every 28+ dys,Yeah, it's amazing they just don't die every month. Must be strong if they can lose that much blood every month.

getr cramps

Men get shell shock, go AWOL, get horny,have nightmares, get negative attitudes, have headaches, colds. I get indigestion if I eat prior to sleeping. I guess that would disqualify me from battle.

get pregnant

Women do not get pregnant in the way they get cramps or have a period. They cannot avoid the period. Not getting pregnant is a choice, not a medical trait.

can't pee in an exppeditious manny,

You never met my ex wife.

, worry about stripping down in the shower...

This is due to societal inhibitions, and not a problem in practice. Male and female soldiers of other countries shower together and have no problems.

[dakine]

"Male and female soldiers of other countries shower together and have no problems."

hahaha...this is getting rich!

[bert]

The best way to solve the problem of women in the military is to place them in combat. The over reaction will result in cleansing them out altogether.

[huac]

"An equally trained female soldier is just another soldier"

Training is fine, but it is merely an approximation, and insufficient at that, to simulate combat. True combat represents the extreme manifestation of human behaviour. The combination of skill, physical strength and aggression decide the winner in hand-to-hand combat to the death, a distinct and recognized possibility in war. Women can train to be as skillful as men in the arts of war. Few exceptional women can match an even a less than average man in physical strength. Fewer still can hope to be as aggressive as a man when engaged in a life and death struggle. The problem with the military is that it's standards are determined by PC. An examination of male female behaviour in the real worlds is enlightening. I can go to any news source and find countless examples of male/female violence. It's almost exclusively, 100% male offender, female victim. Tens of thousands of rapes occur every year in America, God knows how many more world wide. Most are men raping women, some are men raping men. I remember reading of one documented case of a women raping a man in my lifetime. The criminal society is not governed by PC; it's governed by natural selection. The Mexican Mafia or the Aryan Brotherhood are vicious thugs who kill and maim as a matter of business. There are no women in their ranks. Women are not vicious or aggressive enough to survive in this milieu as combatants. Yes, there are women police officers. PC demands it and sets the standards and civilized people are forced to accept it. Yet, we would not dream of housing female prisoners with male prisoners. It's because we know that the male prisoners do not adhere to civilized law; in their world, the law of the jungle prevails. The strong are predators, the weak prey. These are the horrible realities of the human condition. Realities which cannot be ignored. Men are simply more violent than women. A trait which has caused great suffering and destruction through the ages. A sad legacy. Yet, there is one place that this behaviour is valuable. In a just war. In that instance of combat where violence of action will carry the day. The Rangers on D-Day, the Marines at the Chosin Reservior, tunnel rats in Viet Nam. Kill or be killed. Extreme conditions where the most violent party prevailed. No amount of training can overcome this reality of nature. Ultimately, it's estrogen versus testosterone. Estrogen is notable for it's effects on reproduction. Testosterone is notable in that it increases muscle mass and bone density and promotes aggressive behaviour. On the whole, males simply have a distinct advantage on the field of battle.

[toomanygrasshoppers]

In my opinion a woman should be allowed in combat IF she can pass all the tests and requirements that the men are required to pass. There should be NO allowances made for her because she is female. Most women and some men are not fit for combat. If they want to join military then they could be put in non-combat positions, if a position is available for them. The pay should be according to the type of job, just like the private sector. Combat troops should be paid the most. I would gladly see my taxes raised if I thought it was going to the combat troops and their families. I'm ashamed that they are paid so little and sacrifice so much. God Bless Our Troops!

[UCANSEE2]

Know any male cops? Ask them. My experience is that their answer will may well be no.

I have seen female police and they have a gun just like the guys. Has bullets in it too. WIll shoot you just as dead as the men's guns.

ASK A MALE COP if he thinks women are weaker and need to be protected? That they have to be 'helped' by the big strong MALE policeman?

Who's your daddy? Sure, men want women to be dependent on them. Cops usually like to be considered the hero, the righter of wrongs, the protector of the weak. They also like the power and authority the gun and badge give them. It removes the need to earn respect from others. Power and authority without deeds. Don't want strong women who question that authority, that power. Want females who are submissive. Who accept that the he is the BIG MAN. Feed his ego.

Not all policemen are like that. Those that do not depend on gun or badge to provide their courage, their personal strength, do not need a weak woman who is too scared or insecure to leave them.

[uncbob]

May this be a ruse to get women out of the military integration with men

Scare them away( and rightly so )

[huac]

"The only reason we have separate events for men and women is because we have had a history of beleiving women are weaker. A self fulfilling prophecy".

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that in every event which both men and women competed in and was judged empirically by time or distance, from discus to 400 m run to marathon to pole vault to 100m freestyle swim...etc., the male performance was superior to the female.

[UCANSEE2]

So I assume you would be in favor of making the military physical fitness standards the same across the board for both sexes...and then kicking out the women who can't pass the test?

The males that don't meet the standards get kicked out. It should be no different for the women.

That is not to say that all women in the military, no matter the role they are serving, have to meet those standards. Only those who will be in combat. Just like the men. They don't kick out generals because they can't carry a 150lb. backpack through the jungle for weeks on end.

[huac]

I think it's because the Bush Administration now has the power to oppose this trend and is not activley doing so.

[huac]

"Any nation that places their women on a battlefront isn't worth defending!"

Amen

[melbell]

"WE ARE EQUAL MAKE US EQUAL"

"But I don't WANNA fight boys hand-to-hand!"

"WE ARE EQUAL MAKE US EQUAL"

"But the draft isn't fair for women cuz uh..."

"WE ARE EQUAL MAKE US EQUAL"

"OH NO! They might make me pull my weight...aren't you going to *do* something?????"

[Paridel]

Hmm, haven't seen any evidence of what you are saying...not saying you are wrong, just that I had not heard that before, and I am in the Army.

We are doing fine in recruiting, although you are right that that includes the 15% or whatever it is today female recruits.