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Sometimes in an effort to appeal to the people, the Post has a tough time figuring out what's really right. I am a member of the Audubon Society and I big hawk lover. Nevertheless, red-tailed hawks are far from being endangered. And the last time I checked, when you bought a piece of property, and paid taxes, and paid to maintain it, it was your call how you would use it. If the members of the building saw the aerie as an eyesore that was attracting weirdos to their home, that's their call. To each his own. Pale Male would have found another place to build (by the way, how come Lola gets such short shift? Is is discrimination against females?). In nature, animals lose their homes all the time, and they build again.

The people who complained were lazy enviornmentalists, who found a convenient place to watch "nature" reliably within the confines of Manhattan. The owners of the Co-op have no obligation to adjust their behavior to suit these wackos obsession.

1 posted on 12/16/2004 6:30:00 AM PST by presidio9
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To: presidio9; Grampa Dave; blackie
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2 posted on 12/16/2004 6:33:49 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham (Why did it take me so long to come up with a new tag-line, huh?! What's up with that?)
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To: presidio9

Mary Tyler Moore always struck me as an angry drunk.


3 posted on 12/16/2004 6:36:15 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: presidio9
I am a member of the Audubon Society and I big hawk lover. Nevertheless, red-tailed hawks are far from being endangered.

Yes, but how many hawks get a chance to poot on angry Manhattan-ites? It turned them against each other, and in my mind, that is a good thing.

PS - It is ironic that the same people who want to set aside millions of acres in the West for critters, or stop a dam project for a minnow, would fight amongst themselves over the little postage stamp of turf claimed by the hawks. I say we should pass a bill in Congress to reintroduce all the species that once populated Manhattan, before the humans arrived and paved it. Make tax dollars contingent on the species' continued propogation.

4 posted on 12/16/2004 6:37:00 AM PST by Puddleglum (Thank God the Boston blowhard lost)
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To: presidio9

But what if the hawk had a gun? Would the property owner have the right to tell the hawk not to bring it on his property?

Sorry, thread bleed-over. My point is, it's the property owner's call, in my opinion.


5 posted on 12/16/2004 6:37:33 AM PST by L98Fiero
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To: presidio9

I'll go with Limbaugh's take on the issue. The birds did a wonderful job of killing off the pidgeons.


7 posted on 12/16/2004 6:38:34 AM PST by em2vn
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To: presidio9

One imagines the board will enjoy the replacement birds much better. They're called pigeons. Without those hawks, endangered or not, you get what you ask for!


9 posted on 12/16/2004 6:43:56 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: presidio9
More do was we say, not as we do environmentalists.

Hypocrites.

12 posted on 12/16/2004 6:45:55 AM PST by mewzilla
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To: presidio9
Hmmmm.....

Sounds to me like a family fight -- dragging in all sorts of old stuff to cause maximum damage.

I seriously doubt that Ms. Moore's opposition to the hawk removal was spurred by anything more than her opposition to the hawk removal. I can see, though, how a pre-existing condition might cause her to react more violently.

The co-op board, however, shopped this little tidbit precisely to make MTM look bad. They're having their little hissy fit, and trying to spread the bad publicity around a bit. That's wrong -- it's even High Clintonian.

My take is: I hope the bird craps on the co-op board, much more than I hope it craps on MTM.

13 posted on 12/16/2004 6:46:05 AM PST by r9etb
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"He traveled with bodyguards. He was just what you don't want in a family building."

If I lived in a place where you're not allowed to defend yourself, I'd be happy to have someone with bodyguards living in my building!

14 posted on 12/16/2004 6:47:07 AM PST by Tax-chick (Jesus is the reason for the seaon which begins at sundown on December 24.)
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To: presidio9
how come Lola gets such short shift

I'm surprised a big hawk fan doesn't know the answer to this...

Lola is Pale Male's 4th or 5th mate (I forget) to nest with him across from Central Park. Pale Male is famous not only because of his choice of where to build his nest, but also because of his unusual plumage. His mates have just been regular old red-tailed hawks (old figuratively... Lola is quite young.)

23 posted on 12/16/2004 7:14:25 AM PST by green iguana
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And here I thought I was the only one who thought the residents of the building had the right to live in their homes without having to keep half their windows covered at all times.

I just keep picturing people standing on the road in front of my home, peering with binoculars, and suddenly having to live with that intrusion over a pair of birds.

25 posted on 12/16/2004 7:18:19 AM PST by OldFriend (PRAY FOR MAJ. TAMMY DUCKWORTH)
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To: presidio9

Red tails aren't anything near endangered in NM. I've got a couple that routinely keep vermin off my property. When I catch gophers, I just leave the carcass on a fence post for them.


40 posted on 12/16/2004 8:48:04 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (I'm here because I'm not all there.)
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To: presidio9
red-tailed hawks are far from being endangered. . .

No one, to my knowledge, has claimed that red-tails are endangered. Huh? This is about a specific, unique situation in Manhattan.

You're an Audobon Society member but call the Central Park fans of Pale Male "obsessed wackos". . .? When what they are doing is classic birding.

It appears you have a particular dislike of red-tails.

I live in a large urban area on the Left Coast and I always welcome a sighting of red tails as a messenger of wildness. In the case of Pale Male, he brought a different pace and focus to those who chose to notice him and his 200 lb. nest. There's a touch of romance in the urban legend.

Anyway, his 5th Avenue habitat is being restored.

48 posted on 12/16/2004 2:24:19 PM PST by KiloLima (www.opgratitude.com = Give, you will feel better.)
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49 posted on 12/16/2004 2:25:44 PM PST by KiloLima (www.opgratitude.com = Give, you will feel better.)
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To: presidio9
Nevertheless, red-tailed hawks are far from being endangered.

And I’m sure Central Park has plenty of nesting sites.

"He traveled with bodyguards. He was just what you don't want in a family building."

I can’t understand why the board wouldn’t take a chance on him possibly being Russian Mafia!
55 posted on 12/17/2004 6:19:51 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: presidio9

Actually I don't understand why they removed the birds since there has been a nest there for 10 years. Why now?


58 posted on 12/17/2004 7:36:15 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Liberals are Socialists wrapped in a "Progressive" label.)
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