'Tis season to be anti-Christian

Indianapolis Star | 12-15-04 | Joseph Perkins

[orionblamblam]

> yet athiests demand that the various levels of government promote the SOLE, SPECIFIC religion of Atheism 24/7/365

No, they don't. Your hyperbole is entertaining, but it's in error. Not mentioning God and even removing references to God is not endorsing atheism. Replacing "Under God" with "There is no God"... THAT would be endorsing atheism.

[orionblamblam]

> being a Christian or Jew in Saudi Arabia today ...

That would suck. However, imagine being an animist or some other pagan in Saudi Arabia today. Oh, wait, you don't have to imagine; you can just look and see what the Islamists do to pagans in Chad and Sudan. Christians and Jews have it infinitely better in Muslim lands than pagans do, just as Jews - as maltreated and hated as they were - had it easier in medieval Europe than the local pagans did.

Monotheisms *really* don't like competition.

[mainepatsfan]

The Islamists have a long list of who they want to see dead. I think they just go after which ever group they can easily get their hands on like what's going on in the Sudan. The Nazis had a long list of people who were going to be "evacuated". Unfortunately for the Jews they were number one on the Nazi hit list and a large number were living right where Hitler wanted his lebensraum.

[reagankid]

Read the first four lines of the article and you should understand...if not, I'm sorry. He's a reporter for a newspaper and I assume was sent to cover the forum or was invited.

You seem to be missing the content and point of the article.

[stuartcr]

To me, when he said he appeared before the committee, I didn't think he was on assignment, that is why I asked, you originally, then him...what he expected.

[reagankid]

Respectively, I now understand your question.

I hope you found the article interesting and the authors points valid.

[NeoCaveman]

What do you expect at a meeting of 'Americans United for Separation of Church and State'??

Tolerance, perhaps?

[stuartcr]

None of this offends me, I just find it sad sometimes when old customs fade away, but that is the way of the world.

[stuartcr]

From an organisation with that name?

[NeoCaveman]

From an organisation with that name?

That name isn't so bad. If there was truth in labeling they'd call themselves the "Atheistic Taliban"

[stuartcr]

The united part sort of said to me that they weren't very tolerant.

[reagankid]

"I just find it sad sometimes when old customs fade away"

And fade away the will if the majority of Americans continue to let a small fragment of our society orient to the majority of us the false premise of the separation of church and state.

[sauropod]

read later

[EdReform]

Ping

[longhornmo]

I think the motives of this group and the motives of the writers of the Constitution are completely different. This group's motive is to remove the association between government and religion. They want to diminish the influence of conservative members of every religious group, particularly Christians. They don't want to be reminded that the foundational principles of this national are profoundly rooted in the Judeo-Christian tradition.

The Constitution's writers' motives was to protect the America from the corrupting marriage of nation and church that was common in Europe. Members of certain religious groups were persecuted depending on the religion of the Monarch. Evidence of the intent of the founders to honor and recognize God Almighty is found in government documents, on public buildings, on currency, and in their personal correspondence.

This group United for the Separation of Church and State seem to really be promoting abandonment of Judeo-Christian principles for an amoral paradigm. America will cease to be great when she ceases to be good. In fact she will cease to be "America" with all the connotations associated with the name. They state that will result from this "separation" will be something entirely different from the one the Constitution was written to protect.

[reagankid]

Excellent post and insight!

[Esther Ruth]

"..but what truly gets to me is the ridicule."

Well, this is when it is important to remember that no one can serve two masters. If when you are ridiculed you respond a different way then you would if not ridiculed, you have just let man instead of God be your master, and this is the objective of those ridiculing you. They are attempting to change your behavior and be your master. You honor, serve and make Him Lord by doing what He desires INSPITE of what everyone else is trying to get you do, like shut up, go away and just die.

[Esther Ruth]

In the New Testament it says:
James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.


And look here in Matthew chapter 5 at how the demons respond when they see Jesus.

Mar 5:2 And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit,


Mar 5:3 Who had [his] dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains:


Mar 5:4 Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any [man] tame him.


Mar 5:5 And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones.


Mar 5:6 But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,


Mar 5:7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, [thou] Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.


Mar 5:8 For he said unto him, Come out of the man, [thou] unclean spirit.


Mar 5:9 And he asked him, What [is] thy name? And he answered, saying, My name [is] Legion: for we are many.


Mar 5:10 And he besought him much that he would not send them away out of the country.


Mar 5:11 Now there was there nigh unto the mountains a great herd of swine feeding.


Mar 5:12 And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them.


Mar 5:13 And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand;) and were choked in the sea.


Mar 5:14 And they that fed the swine fled, and told [it] in the city, and in the country. And they went out to see what it was that was done.


Mar 5:15 And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid.


Mar 5:16 And they that saw [it] told them how it befell to him that was possessed with the devil, and [also] concerning the swine.


Mar 5:17 And they began to pray him to depart out of their coasts.


Mar 5:18 And when he was come into the ship, he that had been possessed with the devil prayed him that he might be with him.


Mar 5:19 Howbeit Jesus suffered him not, but saith unto him, Go home to thy friends, and tell them how great things the Lord hath done for thee, and hath had compassion on thee.


Mar 5:20 And he departed, and began to publish in Decapolis how great things Jesus had done for him: and all [men] did marvel.

[woodb01]

My real question is when are CHRISTIANS going to finally open their eyes and stand up to fight for this nation that was founded on Christianity and the gospel of Jesus Christ?

Sometimes I wonder if Christianity's greatest enemies aren't behind the pulpit pleading "can't we all just get along???"

Fact is, there is no middle ground with evil. And Anti-Chrst[ian] evil it is!!

See the ANTI-DNC Web Portal at --->
http://www.noDNC.com

[orionblamblam]

> this nation that was founded on Christianity and the gospel of Jesus Christ?

I'm *still* waiting for someone to post any part of the Constitution that supports that. The 1st Ammendment alone is massively anti-10 Commandments.