Posted on 12/15/2004 11:31:58 AM PST by reagankid
Moral Absolutes Ping.
(NOTE: I lost the Moral Absolutes ping list of names, so if you see this but you weren't pinged, and you want on/back on the list, ping me!)
Kind of an overview of the anti-God crowd and what they're up to.
Think about concessions - how many have been made, and are they happy now? How many more concessions need to be made before the "I hate God" bunch call it a day? Are they going to mandate surgery to remove God from everyone's hearts?*
An interesting point is that most people of faith are not only not offended by the religious expressions of other faiths, they welcome them. (We're not talking Islam here, obviously.)
Let me know if anyone wants/off this pinglist.
*As if they could...
I don't know how animists would have it worse than having their places of worship burned down, holy objects destroyed, and their members killed.
Worse than that, eh?
You stated:
"Monotheisms *really* don't like competition."
I don't know where you live, but in the US Jews, Christians, Hindus and any other people of faith seem to get along tolerably well.
Maybe hundreds of years ago there were worse difficulties, but the only people who are really causing a ruckus currently are atheists and Muslims.
"The 1st Ammendment alone is massively anti-10 Commandments."
What are you smoking?
“We have staked the future of all of our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us ... to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God.” --James Madison
[W]e have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion....Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. --John Adams
"The propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a
nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right,
which Heaven itself has ordained." --George Washington
"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry [18th century code word for illicit sexual relations], would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." John Adams
"Religion and virtue are the only foundations, not only of all free government, but of social felicity under all governments and in all the combinations of human society." John Adams
"The highest glory of the American Revolution was this; it connected in one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity." John Quincy Adams
"It is impossible that a nation of infidels or idolaters should be a nation of free men. It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains. A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom." --Patrick Henry
"Before any man can be considered as a member of Civil Society, he must be considered as a subject of the Governor of the Universe." --James Madison
"It would be peculiarly improper to omit, in this official act my fervent supplication to that Almighty Being, who rules over the universe, who presides in the council of nations, and whose providential aid can supply every human defect, that His benediction may consecrate to the liberties and happiness of the people of the United States...Every step by which they have advanced seems to have been distinguished by some providential agency. We ought to be no less persuaded that the propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right which Heaven itself has ordained." George Washington, President of the United States.
[O]nly a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters. --Benjamin Franklin
"Reading, reflection and time have convinced me that the interests of society require the observation of those moral precepts ... in which all religions agree." --Thomas Jefferson
> Worse than that, eh?
Yes, worse than that. Worse than random attacks are concerted efforts at genocide.
> "The 1st Ammendment alone is massively anti-10 Commandments."
>What are you smoking?
The simple facts. The Ten Commandments calls for the death penalty for those who worship other gods, bark at their parents or carve wooden birds. Freedom of Religion and Speech stand in direct contradiction to that.
> the only people who are really causing a ruckus currently are atheists and Muslims.
It's interesting that you put annoying lawyerism in the same boat as genocide.
I don't know what list of 10 Commandments you read. Mine doesn't say the death penalty for any of those things, nor is carving statues on the list.
To tell you the truth, I put up those quotes for anyone else reading the forum, as I knew you would either not read them or if you did, the veil covering your mind and heart would not allow you to know the import since you don't want to know.
Maybe next lifetime.
> Mine doesn't say the death penalty for any of those things,
Exodus 22:20: He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed.
Leviticus 24:16: And he that blasphemeth the name of the Lord, he shall surely be put to death.
Exodus 31:15: Whosoever doeth any work in the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
Exodus 21:15: He that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.
Exodus 21:17: He that curseth his father or his mother, shall surely be put to death.
Leviticus 20:10: And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall be put to death.
When people want to put the 10C up everywhere, why is it that they never seem to want to put the required punishments alongside them?
True enough.
Good luck with your conceited, pointless, and non-insightful posting techniques, I look forward to seeing more in the future.
> Your literal interpretation of the scriptures ...
What, you have a problem with the literal interpretation of the punishments called for? Then why not have a problem with a literal interpretation of the Commandments?
> the Word of G_d and therein can be seen as theological poetry using symblolistic representation that can only be recognized with a deeper form of thinking, and truly understood with theosophical faith
You're talking, but all I hear is "blah, blah, blah..." Honestly, you sound like an art critic blathering forth about the "use of negative space," and "oooh, the tension" in a painting of a rock.
LOL You only reinforce my original post.
"Nitrous oxide based oxygen supply system" can distort the cognitive ability to understand written language.
Sorry I have to go back to work...that will leave you time to go back to drawing airplanes an space ships; and maybe finishing your web site and polishing your resume.
You're a funny little boy. Come back to FR when you get out of grade school and can converse on an adult level. Until then... try to grow up some, son.
Good points. It seems as though the argument about the death penalty for breaking the 10 C's is making the rounds.
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