Posted on 12/15/2004 5:13:03 AM PST by SJackson
Can I start a campaign to disinvest from the Presbyterian Church USA??
(That is, stop donating to it, stop doing business with companies it owns a share in, etc.)??
I'm not a Presbyterian, but I would prefer not to avail myself of goods and services produced by those companies. If you would be so kind as to publish their names here as you find them, I would appreciate it.
The Presbyterian Church hierarchy, along with the Methodists and Episcopalians, among others, have long ago strayed from the path of traditional Christianity.
They have been taken over by extreme leftist elements with a subversive political agenda.
Only fundamnetalist Christian groups of varying sectarian stripes are truly "Christian" in the sense that term has traditionally been interpreted.
Amen, right-on, and cheers to Mr. Isaac Kohn from this Virginia Catholic! On the money, Mr. Kohn!! These actions by the PCUSA are those of a bunch of rad-lefty-stale-60s-leftovers whose undies are as red as Lenin's. They are not, repeat not, the actions of anyone, of any denomination, who is Christian! They forfeited the faith of their fathers on the altar of rad-lib "political correctness" years ago.
Most certainly!
I saw the light about PCUSA back in 1965. Their leaders weren't Christian then and I don't see any evidence that they have become such at any time since.
Then, I give money to my own evangelical, Bible-based church. This is called the re-distribution of wealth ...from the rich Presbys according to their ability, to the poorer Evangelicals according to our need.
It's great fun turning the tables on the liberal, apostate Presbyterian church where the minister tells his flock that they can "create their own Jesus".(!) The fact that they have become anti-Semites is all the more reason to continue this action.
The best part is that in doing this I get to sing some of the greatest sacred music ever written, which they, in order to display their heightened sensibilities, must hear. This music is chock-full of profound faith, remonstrative exhortation and the Word of God. Perhaps one or two will learn something.
It's a win-win situation.
I'd love to take part in a divestment/boycott of all things Presbyterian.
I'm praying that the Lord will change the hearts of our national church body. Until then, I'll continue to withhold my contributions to the Pittsburgh Presbytery, as I've done for over a dozen years. (But I still continue to support my local church.) I've been in disagreement with their resolutions (supporting WCC, etc) for many years.
As I've said before on these PCUSA threads, the leftie pukes ain't gonna push me out of my church.
If you attend a mainstream Presbyterian Church you should look for a Evangelical Presbyterian (EPC) in your area. My wife and I have been attending one for the last two years and we find it to be a very comfortable church for a conservative to be in. (No Kerry bumper stickers)
I grew up in an Assembly of God and my wife grew up in a non charismatic (dull)covenent church. We find the EPC to fit some place in the middle of the two.
They hold on to conservative values and detest the liberal movement of the mainstream Presbyterians.
ABOUT EPC
http://www.fepc.org/fepc/whatis.html
Presbyterians come in many varieties with new branches being formed in every generation. The EPC began in the fall of 1980 and spring of 1981 when a group of pastors and elders held meetings in St. Louis, Missouri for planning and prayer. They came from mainline Presbyterian denominations like the United Presbyterian (northern churches) and the Presbyterian Church in the United States (southern churches). These leaders had become increasingly distressed by liberalism within their denominations. They wanted to form a church that took seriously the words of Scripture, the theology of the historic confessions of the faith, and the evangelical fervor of Presbyterian founders. They envisioned a denomination that was truly evangelical and truly Presbyterian; hence the name.
As an Episcopalian, I can understand your quandary. As it is now, we - along with many other dioceses - are withholding our pledge support of the ECUSA, and its income is much less than it was.
There aint no grey area on the issue of ordained homosexuals - it's all black and white. Period.
'Dear Assembly Members:
You have done everything in you power over the last twenty centuries (I'm discounting the Babylonians, Greeks, Romans and others; they are passe) to uproot and erase my people. The pogroms, the lynching, the Inquisition, expulsions, concentration camps, torture, murder, the Nazi killing machine and doctrine, the European complicity'
The Presbyterians did all this?
PCUSA ping
Please join us Southern Baptists Sunday morning. We are very pro-Israel, just don't let out that you might like dancing though lol.
I, too, am distressed about this decision on tbhe GA.
I, too, pray that God will change the hearts of many in our denomination.
Not all of the PC(USA) churches are liberal. In fact, some (usually, the larger ones) preach the Gospel and adhere to the Word.
Anytime an organization or individual divest themselves of stock for political reasons or any other dumb reason, they turn out to be the losers because it is done without considering financial drawbacks.
It's like throwing money away unless those investments were faulty in the first place.
I say let them divest - that is their prerogative; it accomplishes nothing and only reveals the stupidity of the organization doing it.
Usual Disclaimer:
Please do not confuse the PC(USA) with the conservative branches of the Presbyterian Church. The OPC, PCA, EPC, ARPC, RPCNA, Bible Pres, and Free Pres are all conservative and don't play that game.
The Cumberland Pres is cut from the same cloth as the PC(USA).
Pray for the Confessing Church movement in the PC(USA) as they struggle to regain control of their church.
Now, back to the thread.
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