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To: stopem; Dane

Dane's point is totally reasonable, as is Bush's, about jobs Americans do not want to do.


People who scream about illegals do not want them legalized to do any of these jobs, either. They just want them and the entire impoverished country of Mexico to disappear as if into thin air. They scream about lawbreakers - those who sneak in to do this work - but they refuse to look at the horrible conditions in Mexico, the jobs here that we need done but our own people won't do, and the bad laws that for many, many, many years have allowed this insane situation to fester and grow. They would much rather curse the darkness than light a candle. And that means you.


I find Dane to be very clear in these comments, what he means and does not mean, while I find you to be putting words in other people's mouths and going all over the lot in your comments. But that is exactly what I expect from those of the thread-crasher mentality and this subject. By their fruit we shall know them.


41 posted on 12/15/2004 5:11:36 AM PST by txrangerette
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To: txrangerette

"By their fruit we shall know them."

So true.
Thank you for your comments.


43 posted on 12/15/2004 5:15:21 AM PST by stopem
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To: txrangerette
about jobs Americans do not want to do.

Just exactly what jobs will Americans not do?

That 'defense' for illegals is BS.

There are Americans cleaning toilets. Maybe they don't like it and maybe they wish they could have better jobs, but there are Americans cleaning toilets.

There are Americans working in the fields harvesting, planting, etc. America was build on farming. There are Americans who work in the fields every day.

There are Americans cooking and serving in fast food restaurants every day.

There are Americans cleaning houses and babysitting kids.

Now, exactly what jobs will Americans not do? To say we have to import illegals to do jobs that Americans won't do is BS.
45 posted on 12/15/2004 5:18:42 AM PST by TomGuy (America: Best friend or worst enemy. Choose wisely.)
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To: txrangerette

>>but they refuse to look at the horrible conditions in Mexico<<

Where in the Constitution does it say America is responsible for the living conditions in foreign countries? If they don't like living in horrible conditions, isn't it THEIR RESPONSIBILITY to change them?


58 posted on 12/15/2004 5:25:36 AM PST by B4Ranch (((The lack of alcohol in my coffee forces me to see reality!)))
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To: txrangerette; Dane; stopem
"People who scream about illegals do not want them legalized to do any of these jobs, either. They just want them and the entire impoverished country of Mexico to disappear as if into thin air. They scream about lawbreakers - those who sneak in to do this work - but they refuse to look at the horrible conditions in Mexico, the jobs here that we need done but our own people won't do, and the bad laws that for many, many, many years have allowed this insane situation to fester and grow. They would much rather curse the darkness than light a candle. And that means you."

There is so much wrong with this comment. In fact there are 'many, many, many' things wrong with it. I don't have the time to debunk now, but its all about "feelings" to txrangerette.

68 posted on 12/15/2004 5:33:45 AM PST by subterfuge ("Dems think 'Values' are what you get at WalMart"--subterfuge)
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To: txrangerette
They scream about lawbreakers - those who sneak in to do this work - but they refuse to look at the horrible conditions in Mexico, the jobs here that we need done but our own people won't do, and the bad laws that for many, many, many years have allowed this insane situation to fester and grow.

I don't give a rat's *ss about the horrible conditions in Mexico. Nor do I give the slightest whit about whether or not Americans will do the jobs or not.

What matters is the fact that millions of people are sneaking into my country every year. Could be terrorists, could be anybody.

It's a national security issue, first and foremost. That's what chaps my *ss. AFAIC, the economic issues are secondary, because if we don't take care of our national security, we won't have an economy to worry about.

77 posted on 12/15/2004 5:43:52 AM PST by Terabitten (Alpha Male of the Free Republic wolfpack)
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To: txrangerette
People who scream about illegals do not want them legalized to do any of these jobs, either. They just want them and the entire impoverished country of Mexico to disappear as if into thin air.

You're greatly oversimplifying. Many of us acknowledge the need for a guest worker program. Tom Tancredo has proposed a very generous program as part of his BE REAL Act.


They scream about lawbreakers - those who sneak in to do this work - but they refuse to look at the horrible conditions in Mexico, the jobs here that we need done but our own people won't do, and the bad laws that for many, many, many years have allowed this insane situation to fester and grow.

Past legalizations of illegal aliens have been a big factor in allowing the situation to fester and grow. When you reward lawbreaking, you get more of it.

124 posted on 12/15/2004 7:44:29 AM PST by Fatalis
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