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British National Party leader detained [arrested] after calling Islam 'wicked faith'
AFP via Yahoo ^ | 12/14/2004 | Staff

Posted on 12/14/2004 5:36:48 PM PST by sarah_f

LONDON (AFP) - The leader of the rightwing British National Party(BNP), Nick Griffin, was arrested Tuesday after he called Islam a "vicious, wicked faith" in a television documentary.

Griffin, 45, was arrested on suspicion of "incitement to commit racial hatred" and held for questioning by police in northern England before he was released on bail several hours later.

When asked if he considered Islam a "vicious, wicked faith", Griffin urged reporters to study the Koran for themselves before saying: "There are aspects of that religion which are wicked."

He then condemned the treatment of women under Islam.

The BNP, which won 800,000 votes but no seats in the European elections in June, charged the arrest was part of a "crude" bid by Prime Minister Tony Blair (news - web sites)'s government to win back Muslim votes lost over his war in Iraq (news - web sites).

A BNP spokesman said four non-uniformed police officers raiding the family farmhouse in Wales "awoke the Griffin household from their sleep" early Tuesday.

Griffin was the 12th person arrested in connection with the investigation into the BBC documentary aired in July.

The BNP's founding chairman John Tyndall, 70, was arrested on suspicion of the same offense on Sunday following a speech he made in the northwestern city of Burnley in March.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bnp; eurabia; griffin; hatespeech; islam; johntyndall; muslimwomen
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To: Uncle Vlad
Most of us 'Mericans remember the British of the "Battle of Britian," etc.

We Remember a Proud, Practical people with TONS of "Common Sense!"

We remember the "British Commonwealth."

We have a GREAT DEAL of Difficulty believing that this ONCE PROUD & DOMINANT CULTURE could have "sunk to Such, "PC!"

The 'BRIT's KNOW that their Culture represents a "Civilizing Influence" on MOST of the "Cultures" they have encountered.

HOW is it Possible that the inheritors of this "Glorious, Dominant, Culturally Superior Civilization" have "Lost Their 'Nerve??'"

The British Civilization NEVER ENCOUNTERED a "Superior Culture;" Despite It's Faults, the "British Culture" OUTCLASSED ANY "CIVILIZATION" it encountered.

So WHY are the 'Brit's SO "PC??"

They're BETTER THAN THAT!!

I Fear that a Pusillanimous political "movement" has "Waylayed" the "Brit's" as they attempted to recuperate from the "Rigors of" the "Cold War!"

A Similar SLIMEY BUNCH of NIHILISTS have attempted to overtake American Politics!"

The "Political Game" is Similar;--ALL "WESTERN BELIEF SYSTEMS" are NO BETTER THAN ANY "Belief System" of Eastern (Especially 'Muslim') origin!

"ALL 'Value Systems are Equal'"--a DIRECT CONTRADICTION of nearly ALL Western "Value Systems!"

CLEARLY, "The West" is being DIRECTLY CHALLENGED.

UNTIL OUR GENERATION, Citizens of our Cultures CLEARLY Understood our "Value System," & WHY we held our Values.

The Past couple of Generations have Forgotten to Teach our Children WHY they are "Free!"

THAT is why the Psychopaths of "Islam" have managed to interest our Citizens.

NO "Properly Educated Citizen of Western Culture,"(American, Australian, Irishman, Scotsman, Englishman, Western European, Japanese, Taiwanese, Eastern European, North African, Central or South American, Indian or Pakistani, or Even Russian,) can accept the "Primacy of 'Islam!'"

Yet MANY "WESTERN CULTURES" "KOWTOW" to the irrational & Demeaning DEMANDS of "Islamic Cultures."

The reason for the "acquiescense" to "Islamic Demands" is PURE COWARDICE.

NO "ISLAMIC CULTURE" has the "Legitimacy" to Impose It's Demands on ANY Western Culture!!

"ISLAM" is a "CULT!!"---"Jim Jones minus the 'Coolaide!!'"

At Some Point, the "Western Cultures" need to "Come to Their Senses--& REALIZE THAT WE are the Future of Humankind; WE went to the Moon--& will go on...

A Culture whose Men Beat Women & Rape Children HAS NO FUTURE!!

'Nuff Said!!

Doc

61 posted on 12/14/2004 7:12:56 PM PST by Doc On The Bay
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To: sarah_f

Great job, UK. Your brave soldiers are in Iraq and Afghanistan kicking serious Islamofascist ass.......and you morons are arresting people in your OWN country who do nothing more than dare to speak the obvious.

You may have a killer military that we're proud to call our allies......and would go into a fight with anytime, anywhere........but your lawmakers and police are a bunch of pu**ies.


62 posted on 12/14/2004 7:17:37 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: sarah_f

He was arrested for intent to "incite racial hatred"?
Beneath all of the fuzzy P.C. trappings and quasi-righteous fury, just what the hell does that actually mean?

No threats were made, no violence committed; the British government just had an opposition party member arrested because they disagreed with his personal thoughts.

My question, for any British FReepers that may be reading this: A man was just ARRESTED by his political foes in a supposedly free nation just for telling the truth about that vicious ideology called Islam. That is something we FReepers do on a continuous basis.

Are you guys scared speechless about right now?


63 posted on 12/14/2004 8:20:38 PM PST by RockAgainsttheLeft04 (PUNY FREEPERS: I am the Moderator-- bow down before me and await my orders...)
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To: RockAgainsttheLeft04

If we are not vigilent, the time will come soon, very soon when you will be arrested for what you say here on FReeRepublic


64 posted on 12/14/2004 8:37:41 PM PST by expatguy (Fallujah Delenda Est!!)
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To: Star Traveler

"Isn't it the same for Australia?"

Only in Victoria to my knowledge, where the State Governor, a man of Lebanese descent, established and funded an organization to monitor 'hate crime/speech' - as a result of which some muzzies infiltrated (attended?) a seminar being held by a lay-preacher during which passages from the koran were read. Now, one would assume that to be a perfectly acceptable thing to do...however, the muzzie 'spies' recorded the procedings and reported the incident, result: charges were laid. The verdict will be handed down on December 17.
Fascinating thing is...the 'hate speech' quoted came straight out of the koran! The defence document (which was available on the Net, but I can't find it now) stated one by one, the very verses that were quoted and asks the question (paraphrasing) wherein lies the hate-speech? In the koran or in the mouth of the one who reads it in public?
This verdict will be very interesting. The case has been ongoing for years. It cost the little church hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees.
http://www.catchthefire.com.au/


65 posted on 12/14/2004 8:44:13 PM PST by Fred Nerks (understand evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD on pdf. Click Fred Nerks for link.)
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To: Fred Nerks

How could those church-goers be duped so easily. They had to have noticed that the guy had a beard longer than most of their cars, some kind of weird hat, and kept sticking his butt up in the air.

Or maybe he was disguised as a normal person. Hmmm.


66 posted on 12/14/2004 9:54:58 PM PST by BobL
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To: expatguy

RE: "If we are not vigilent, the time will come soon, very soon when you will be arrested for what you say here on FReeRepublic"


Sadly, I believe you are absolutely correct here.
The truth about our "inherent freedoms" is that they may be given to us by God, but only we the people can make sure that our governments continue to recognize these freedoms.

It looks like Britain is beginning to ignore the liberties of it's citizens to appease the feelings of a few, and full-scale political repression is creeping a little closer to their shores. Damn Labour for this--in every way you can damn a man.


67 posted on 12/14/2004 9:55:09 PM PST by RockAgainsttheLeft04 (Chaos is great. Chaos is what killed the dinosaurs, darling. -- from Heathers (1989))
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To: BobL

I don't know if 'duped' comes into it at all, the people who conducted the seminar certainly never imagined they would have a problem reading from the koran to the attendees, and comparing certain verses, particularly those relating to women and/or punishments for 'sin' with the Bible. There were occasions during the seminar when the audience laughed out loud...and we know, don't we, one must not laugh at islam...meanwhile, the 'plants' from the organization were of Western appearance and dress, they took notes and reported the proceedings as an incident of hate-speech, as a result of which charges were laid.
Of course, they did not belong to the congregation.
The submission as a result of the charges can be found on the site I posted. Very interesting. Download pdf.
Click Updates and Articles on Courtcase. Scroll to bottom of page for Submission document.


68 posted on 12/14/2004 10:20:15 PM PST by Fred Nerks (understand evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD on pdf. Click Fred Nerks for link.)
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To: RockAgainsttheLeft04

Beneath all of the fuzzy P.C. trappings and quasi-righteous fury, just what the hell does that actually mean?
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I think it means they are afraid of the muslim terrorists that have effectively taken over their nation (which of course is islam's Prime Directive).

Bio-terror and nuclear weapons in the hands of the Satanic Cult of Death scare them. I could be wrong. Ping MadIvan, he's on the right frequency.


69 posted on 12/14/2004 10:38:20 PM PST by sarah_f (Know Islam, Know Terror.)
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To: 1066AD

And Enoch Powell was no prize himself but unfortunately more rational minded people aren't saying the things that need to be said :( Only the loonies are pointing out the faults of islamic terror.


70 posted on 12/14/2004 10:41:30 PM PST by cyborg (http://www.zimbabwesituation.com/flamelily.html)
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To: Doc On The Bay

bttt


71 posted on 12/14/2004 10:42:51 PM PST by cyborg (http://www.zimbabwesituation.com/flamelily.html)
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Islam isn't a wicked faith. It isn't a faith. It's a medieval fascist political system. The Quran is just a medieval Mein Kampf.
72 posted on 12/14/2004 10:45:15 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: Kurt_D

Well, DUH. But free speech is free speech, even for Nazis. Guess in Britain there is no such thing except at Speakers' Corner. At least, I don't see it based on this article.

I sympathize with the Nazi in at least one respect: I understand what it is to be called down for speaking about my beliefs, which are evidently unacceptable to many. You see, I am not a liberal and I attended college.


73 posted on 12/14/2004 11:16:04 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (NO BLOOD FOR CHOCOLATE! Get the UN-ignoring, unilateralist Frogs out of Ivory Coast!)
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To: unlearner
You have the crux there. There is a big difference between criticizing and advocating specific acts of violence.

Clearly this guy just called it like he sees it (his prerogative no matter if he is racist!). He did not advocate any illegal actions.
74 posted on 12/14/2004 11:17:55 PM PST by demecleze
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To: weenie

"we cannot turn away...we cannot run"


That's right weenie. And we will not be silenced.


75 posted on 12/15/2004 12:42:20 AM PST by jan in Colorado
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To: rogermellie; Slipperduke; pau1f0rd; flitton; Le Bouledogue Britannique; jjbrouwer; tjwmason; ...

Sigh...PING!

Hats on. Chests out. Bayonets at the ready...


76 posted on 12/15/2004 2:12:36 AM PST by AngloSaxon (successful)
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To: First_Salute

The Hollow Men

T. S. Eliot (1925)

I

We are the hollow men
We are the stuffed men
Leaning together
Headpiece filled with straw. Alas!
Our dried voices, when
We whisper together
Are quiet and meaningless
As wind in dry grass
Or rats' feet over broken glass
In our dry cellar

Shape without form, shade without colour,
Paralysed force, gesture without motion;

Those who have crossed
With direct eyes, to death's other Kingdom
Remember us -- if at all -- not as lost
Violent souls, but only
As the hollow men
The stuffed men.

II

Eyes I dare not meet in dreams
In death's dream kingdom
These do not appear:
There, the eyes are
Sunlight on a broken column
There, is a tree swinging
And voices are
In the wind's singing
More distant and more solemn
Than a fading star.

Let me be no nearer
In death's dream kingdom
Let me also wear
Such deliberate disguises
Rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves
In a field
Behaving as the wind behaves
No nearer --

Not that final meeting
In the twilight kingdom

III

This is the dead land
This is cactus land
Here the stone images
Are raised, here they receive
The supplication of a dead man's hand
Under the twinkle of a fading star.

Is it like this
In death's other kingdom
Waking alone
At the hour when we are
Trembling with tenderness
Lips that would kiss
Form prayers to broken stone.

IV

The eyes are not here
There are no eyes here
In this valley of dying stars
In this hollow valley
This broken jaw of our lost kingdoms

In this last of meeting places
We grope together
And avoid speech
Gathered on this beach of the tumid river

Sightless, unless
The eyes reappear
As the perpetual star
Multifoliate rose
Of death's twilight kingdom
The hope only
Of empty men.

V

Here we go round the prickly pear
Prickly pear prickly pear
Here we go round the prickly pear
At five o'clock in the morning.

Between the idea
And the reality
Between the motion
And the act
Falls the Shadow

For Thine is the Kingdom

Between the conception
And the creation
Between the emotion
And the response
Falls the Shadow

Life is very long

Between the desire
And the spasm
Between the potency
And the existence
Between the essence
And the descent
Falls the Shadow
For Thine is the Kingdom

For Thine is
Life is
For Thine is the

This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.

77 posted on 12/15/2004 3:06:03 AM PST by snopercod (Bigger government means clinton won. Less freedom means Osama won. Get it?)
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To: ApesForEvolution
They can run off all the Non-Moos and have a pure Eurotrash Islamic State within a decade or so...

In a decade or so our children will still have Christian prayers in school, some of them will still attend state-funded church-schools, they will have carol services. Our governmental bodies will still be able to refer to 'Christmas' without the threat of getting sued. Can you say the same about America?
78 posted on 12/15/2004 3:38:50 AM PST by tjwmason ("For he himself has said it, And it's greatly to his credit, That he is an Englishman!")
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To: RockAgainsttheLeft04
My question, for any British FReepers that may be reading this:
Are you guys scared speechless about right now?


No, on the contrary I'm delighted that this piece of racist scum was placed inside a gaol-cell as he deserves. I do hope that the C.P.S. will be able to prosecute him, and that without his admittedly dynamic leadership the B.N.P. will shrivel up into the bunch of jack-booted thugs and football hooligans which are at its core. There's a good chance that a few more defenceless black grannies will not get attacked merely for the colour of their skin.
79 posted on 12/15/2004 3:42:45 AM PST by tjwmason ("For he himself has said it, And it's greatly to his credit, That he is an Englishman!")
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To: snopercod
And don't forget Orwell:


80 posted on 12/15/2004 3:44:08 AM PST by naturalized (Some folks look at me and see a certain swagger, which in Texas is called walking.)
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