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To: writer33

Not to be a kill joy, but:

What happens when the first Wiccan school opens via voucher system or the first string of Fundie Islamic schools?


13 posted on 12/09/2004 7:01:21 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: durasell

Too late, Killjoy!

Those are excellent points. I'm for privatizing it as well. It's just got to be affordable to low income families. But this is America! We'd think of something.


16 posted on 12/09/2004 7:03:03 PM PST by writer33 (The U.S. Constitution defines a conservative)
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To: durasell
Not to be a kill joy, but:

What happens when the first Wiccan school opens via voucher system or the first string of Fundie Islamic schools?

This is why I am anti-voucher. Why be dependent upon the government for something that parents should be doing anyway?

I am more for no taxation without representation. Meaning tax only those who have children in the public schools and leave the rest of us alone.

18 posted on 12/09/2004 7:04:27 PM PST by andie74 (Proud Resident of Fly-Over Country)
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To: durasell
What happens when the first Wiccan school opens via voucher system or the first string of Fundie Islamic schools?

Let them go to it. Survival of the fittest.

19 posted on 12/09/2004 7:05:28 PM PST by MonroeDNA (“I feel more comfortable with Soviet intellectuals than I do with American businessmen.” --Soros)
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To: durasell
So, what happens if Wiccan's open their own school rather than running the public school systems?

Seems to me that would better isolate the problem, eh?!

BTW, the question about an Islamic fundie school has been addressed long ago. The states all have standards relating to the curriculum. Then there are examinations. Presumably such a school would meet the standards.

We have such a school in Fairfax county ~ some of the kids in this neighborhood have attended. The only complaint has been that the school does not have organized athletic teams.

24 posted on 12/09/2004 7:07:27 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: durasell
What happens when the first Wiccan school opens via voucher system or the first string of Fundie Islamic schools?

"Happens"? Why should anything "happen"? They can run their schools like they want, the same as anyone else.

35 posted on 12/09/2004 7:14:25 PM PST by Sloth (Al Franken is a racist.)
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To: durasell
What happens when the first Wiccan school opens via voucher system or the first string of Fundie Islamic schools?

If that's where people want to send their kids, then so be it. If people want it (demand), it will stay open (supply).

36 posted on 12/09/2004 7:14:54 PM PST by eyespysomething (With angelic hosts proclaim, Christ is born in Bethleham!)
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To: durasell

"What happens when the first Wiccan school opens via voucher system or the first string of Fundie Islamic schools?"

More power to 'em! If we can have Christian or Jewish schools, why do we care what they do, as long as they don't break the law at their schools?


38 posted on 12/09/2004 7:17:32 PM PST by The Loan Arranger (The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal.)
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To: durasell

You're right those are great reasons for supporting our disasterous public schools.


52 posted on 12/09/2004 7:30:42 PM PST by gogipper
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To: durasell
An interesting dilemma not without a lot of merit. So, a wicca school opens and is attended. It would still have to require students to pass basic tests. My experience with wicca does not always show a deep commitment to discipline. Thus, accreditation would be a problem right off. Their studies agenda might be markedly lacking in some of the vital basics. But should someone in the wicca realm, if you will, provide the discipline and administrative organization (very boring. very un-wicca) to provide a caliber school, so be it. I would STILL be able to direct my daughter to a school, funded, that teaches what I want/need her to learn. That is a GREAT trade off. I get a child who can read/write/calculate AND is versed in the scriptures, knows moral values, hears the TRUTH instead of a teacher-revised edition of it, and they get a kid who can cast spells. Now, what disturbs me is that Islamic school. You may have a huge point there. Sorry, you may have a hugh point there. But hear me if you will, I'm a single mom. I raised nearly $2K to send said kid to Washington DC last spring break. Not an easy task for single mom, California wages with California bills. Garage sales, church fund-raisers, pulling every string I had, but she went. While there, she heard, from her TEACHERS, some pretty nasty comments about the President of the United States. Took me a couple of weeks to deprogram her and a couple of nasty letters to the school board to make sure that didn't happen again. She's in a new school now, but nothings changed. What's the answer?
93 posted on 12/09/2004 8:30:30 PM PST by Hi Heels (Proud to be a Pajamarazzi.)
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To: durasell
Those Wiccan parents are going to teach their offspring their belief systems anyway. So what? If vouchers were available for all school age children, I don't believe there would be more little Wiccans, Scientogists or Muslims. What it does mean it that hundred of thousands of more children could receive a traditional, classical education that their parents desire for them. Parents and children should not be captive of the NEA and local progressive/liberal educators. I speak from experience. I was an elementary school teacher from 1968-2000.
102 posted on 12/09/2004 9:08:48 PM PST by Irish Queen
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To: durasell

The typical Hillary Clinton argument. Parents are too stupid to make educational choices for their children according to Hillary.

Wicca is a religion recognized by the federal government, therefore, Wiccan schools could use vouchers. There are Islamic schools that are allowed to operate in my state (one is a couple of towns away from me). I imagine vouchers could be used for those students also as long as the schools don't break any laws.


122 posted on 12/10/2004 5:42:13 AM PST by ladylib ("Marc Tucker Letter to Hillary Clinton" says it all.)
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To: durasell
Not to be a kill joy, but:

What happens when the first Wiccan school opens via voucher system or the first string of Fundie Islamic schools?

Exactly. He who pays the piper calls the tune. If I plant my feet under the State's table, I have no right to complain about the menu. What it feeds me I must swallow.

Control always follows "free" government money. An Alaskan subsidy for home schooling got the camel's nose under the tent by offering a "free" computer. Three years later, the camel was in the tent, controlling the curriculum.

129 posted on 12/10/2004 6:06:40 AM PST by TomSmedley (Calvinist, optimist, home schooling dad, exuberant husband, technical writer)
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To: durasell

It is their money. Let them educate their children the way they want to.


152 posted on 12/10/2004 1:59:14 PM PST by Texas Songwriter (p)
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To: durasell
Who cares?

Anyone devout enough to deprive their child of a education by placing them in a Wiccan or Fundie Islamic school was going to do it anyway.
185 posted on 12/10/2004 4:18:04 PM PST by CyberCowboy777 (Zip it Hippie! - http://www.casualconservative.com/)
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To: durasell
What happens when the first Wiccan school opens via voucher system or the first string of Fundie Islamic schools?

You're missing the entire point.

If the government school systems were doing their job, there would be no demand for school vouchers, homeschooling or widespread demand for choice in schools. People would gladly put their kids in public schools! After all, they did for 150 years or so when secondary schools were decent places to send and educate growing children who you deeply care about.

Believe me. It is much cheaper and easier.

The Christian school movement (and later the homeschool movement) got started as a reaction against increasing secularization of teachers and curriculum, unionization (almost impossible to hold teachers and administrators accountable) and moral and educational decay of the public school culture. Parents saw bad things happening to their children. They wanted their kids to have the best education - not be put in a John Dewey straight jacket of PC indoctrination, Liberal cultural agendas and academic leveling as the norm, Their kids were essentially taken completely out of any semblance of parental control and supervision and put under those whom they grew to suspect had other than their best interests at heart.

American public schools were once either without peer or on a par with the very best public school systems anywhere in the world. Can anybody claim with a straight face today's public schools are by any measure even as good as decades ago even with the enhanced technology? Ask yourself, what happened about 40 or so years ago to change all this?

But, few want to "ask" the question. They would rather throw barrels of money at a monumentally failing system or blame concerned parents for pulling their kids out of these failed institutions mainly because they saw their kids being psychologically damaged and given a mediocre to poor education at best.

Sure, there are a few excellent public schools around, but they are mostly the exception not the rule. "Average" by 1950s standard is mostly unattainable today in even the best of public schools.

Today most schools are primarily educational warehouses cast to the lowest common denominator of standards as well as ersatz day care centers where so many kids go to get screwed up instead of educated. They are indocrination centers manned by Liberal ideologues who want to change the culture, not educate children to a high standard and make them independent thinkers.

When that changes, the concerned consumers will gladly return to the public schools. Not until.

"Madrassas" and "Wiccan" schools are entirely beside the point and are strawman arguments meant to divert concern over what has happened to our once great public school system.

197 posted on 12/10/2004 5:21:12 PM PST by Gritty ("Rascality has limits; Stupidity has none."-Napoleon)
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