Posted on 12/08/2004 3:28:15 PM PST by yonif
A former top official of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency paints a menacing picture of the relationship between Islam and terrorism.
Islamic terrorism is based on Islam as revealed through the Quran, keynote speaker Bruce Tefft claimed in a panel discussion at the University of Toronto on jihad and global terrorism. The session, held late last month, was sponsored by the Friends of Simon Wiesenthal Center and the Speakers Action Group.
Tefft, a founder of the CIAs counter-terrorism center and now an advisor to the New York Police Departments intelligence and counter-terrorism divisions, said that without Islam, the long-term strategy of Al Qaeda and its followers make little sense.
Linking Osama bin Laden to the attacks against the World Trade Center and the Pentagon in 2001, Tefft said: To pretend that Islam has nothing to do with Sept. 11 is to willfully ignore the obvious and to forever misinterpret events.
In a harsh indictment of Islam the worlds fastest growing religion and the second-largest faith after Christianity Tefft said that while there may be moderate Muslims, Islam itself is immoderate.
And, he added, There is no difference between Islam and Islamic fundamentalism, which is a totalitarian construct.
According to Tefft, the Quran enjoins Muslims to believe that the whole world should be governed by the principles of Islam, an expansionist religion that has historically grown through conquest.
All infidels are to be converted, enslaved or killed, he said, drawing on the knowledge of Bernard Lewis, a Jewish historian who has written books about Islam and Islamic history.
Tefft, whose career at the CIA spanned 21 years, argued that Islam was a religion of peace and tolerance in its formative phase, but has since grown intolerant of non-Muslims.
Islam cannot be reformed because its teachings, as revealed through the Quran, are regarded as the word of God, and to be a Muslim, a believer must accept the Quran on a literal basis, Tefft said.
He said Islam views Judaism and Christianity as failed religions and itself as the only true religion.
Islamic terrorists are animated by passionate anti-Western convictions, Tefft argued. They blindly sacrifice their lives for the chance of going to paradise and enjoying the charms of 72 virgins.
To them, the United States is the epitome of evil, because its constitution separates church and state.
Tefft said Al Qaedas 700-page training manual covers all aspects of terrorism, from surveillance to assassinations, and is drawn from U.S., Russian and Iranian manuals .
Theyve compiled the best of the best.
Of the 6,000 or more mosques in North America, 80 per cent are radical in orientation and devoted to spreading an intolerant Wahabi strain of Islam. They are funded by Saudi Arabia, he said.
David Harris, the former head of strategic planning at the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, said that Islamic fundamentalists are hostile to Canada and consider it a Little Satan.
He warned that Hezbollah has begun surveying sites in Canada for possible terrorist attacks.
Canada, though, innocently thinks it is immune to such aggression, Harris said.
John Thompson, the president of the MacKenzie Institute, a Canadian research organization, said Al Qaeda has a reservoir of recruits for at least a generation to come.
Tom Kay, the chief of police in Owen Sound and the immediate past president of the Ontario Association of Chiefs of Police, said Canadian law enforcement agencies that combat terrorism are under-funded.
We face complacency from people in power, he said, referring to Canadian politicians at all levels.
It is scandalous that more money is not being allocated to counter-terrorism efforts, Kay said.
Leo Adler, the director of national affairs for Friends of the Simon Wiesenthal Center, urged Canada to be more resolute in fighting terrorism.
Rather than operating in a vacuum, Jihadists work with highly honed organizations that supply them with funds, logistical support and intelligence, Adler commented.
Islamic terrorism is based on Islam as revealed through the Quran... And, he added, There is no difference between Islam and Islamic fundamentalism, which is a totalitarian construct.
According to Tefft, the Quran enjoins Muslims to believe that the whole world should be governed by the principles of Islam, an expansionist religion that has historically grown through conquest.
Documented here:
Radical Islam's 'plan' to take over America - Arab-American author outlines secret 20-year strategy to undermine country
The Islamic States of America?
Misunderstanding the Enemy: the Islamic Threat and the U.S. Media
CAIR: 'Moderate' friends of terror
An Open Letter to Islamic Organizations in America
--Omar Ahmed, Chairman of the Board of CAIR (Council of American Islamic Relations), San Ramon Valley Herald, July 1998
Your reading of the caliphate drive is wishful thinking.
Ping
Please clarify.
Whom do you wish me to poll?
And why?
Peaceful Islamic Bump /sarcasm
I fall into the be killed column. However, I willnot go without a fight.
First Islam must be declared an enemy cult and a danger to the US Constitution. It's 'religious' protected status must be done away with. Once that happens, all mosques would be places where sedition is promoted ,and all those who call themselves Islamic, would be immediately be in violation of the law.
The non-citizen Islamics should then be found, put on military transports, and deported immediately.
US citizens, unless they publicly renounce their adherence to the enemy cult, should be interned like the Japanese were in WW2. Those who refuse to renounce Islam should join the illegals in deportation.
NO- and I mean NO individual identifying themselves as Muslim, or holding a passport from a Muslim country, should be allowed into the US.
These rules would remain in effect until Islam joins the modern world, renounces its goals of world domination, and ALL terrorists are turned in by the 'decent' Muslims. When the violent, bloodthirsty, barbaric aspects of Islam are no more, then it could be reconsidered as a religon.
Harsh? Yes. But they can't attack our country if they are not IN our country. Our lenience, tolerance, and trust has been- and will be- used against us.
We have a choice here- We can be 'fair'- and more of us will die by terrorism- or we can be 'unfair' and take EVERY measure possible to protect our way of life.
Terrorism will go on until we admit that our enemy is not playing by any rules of modern civilization.
I'd rather be unfair, and alive ,than fair and dead anytime.
There IS no compromise with Islam. It's ultimate goal is to destroy, and replace, the Constitution.
If we let them USE the Constitution to protect themselves, it's checkmate.
After having said that, I don't knwo the answer...I am working on it day and night...but I have not solved the problem...Let me know when you do...I can tell you are working on it...
From another freeper about a year ago:
"Kill the disbelievers wherever we find them" (Koran 2:191)
"Ye are the best of peoples evolved for mankind." (Koran 3:110)
"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and his messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be to be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and genitals cut off, or to be expelled out of the land. Such will be their humiliation in the world, and in the next world they will face an awful horror." (Koran, 5:33-34)
"Not to make friendship with Jews and Christians" (Koran 5:51)
"Remember Allah inspired the angels: I am with you. Give firmness to the believers. I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: you smite them above their necks and smite all their fingertips off of them." (Koran, 8:12)
"In order that Allah may separate the pure from the impure, put all the impure ones [all non-Muslims] one on top of another in a heap and cast them into hell. They will have been the ones to have lost." (Koran, 8:37)
"If there are twenty amongst you, you will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, you will vanquish a thousand of them [infidels]" (Koran 8:65).
Allah and his messenger announce that it is acceptable to go back on our promises (treaties) and obligations with Pagans and make war on them whenever we find ourselves strong enough to do so (Koran 9:3)
"Fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem" (Koran 9:5)
Our God tells us to "fight the unbelievers" and "He will punish them by our hands, cover them with shame and help us (to victory) over them" (Koran 9:14).
"Until they pay the Jizya [a penalty tax for the non-Muslims living under Islamic rules] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued" (Koran 9:29)
"Unless we go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish us with a grievous penalty, and put others in our place" (9:39).
"O Prophet! Make war against the unbelievers [all non-Muslims] and the hypocrites and be merciless against them. Their home is hell, an evil refuge indeed." (Koran, 9:73)
"Murder them and treat them harshly" (Koran 9:123)
"When you meet the unbelievers in jihad [holy war], chop off their heads. And when you have brought them low, bind your prisoners rigorously. Then set them free or take ransom from them until the war is ended." (Koran, 47:40)
"When we decide to destroy a population, we send a definite order to them who have the good things in life and yet sin. So that Allah's word is proven true against them, then we destroy them utterly." (Koran, 17:16-17)
"How many were the populations we utterly destroyed because of their sins, setting up in their place other peoples." (Koran, 21:11)
"strike off the heads of the disbelievers" (Koran 47:4)
"Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin." (Koran 69:30-37)
You can continue to hope that Americans are too lazy to read your holy screed (assuming it's "Just like the Bible") and addicted to the farce of multiculturalism to wake up and see you for what you are, but your co-religionists are working at a cross purpose. Each time a muslim draws inspiration from allah and kills as many infidels as he can, more civilized people realize that islam is a religion of hatred and violence.
What gave it away?
Oh yeah...
NUKE EM ALL!
Did you think that up all by yourself? How very clever of you.
Ok we start dropping Nukes....what happens on day two?
And what does the rest of the world do?
Does that include iraq?
What about the Muslims in India? Do we Nuke them too?
"It is easy to fly into a passion--anybody can do that--but to be angry with the right person and at the right time and with the right object and in the right way--that is not easy, and it is not everyone who can do it."
-- Aristotle
Do you know the purpose of nuclear weapons?
Here's a hint, they're made NOT to be used. Or used only as a last resort.
For what it's worth I do believe Assad and the Mullahs in Tehran's days are numbered. And I suspect so do they, that's why they are sending terrorist into Iraq.
All this NUKE EM ALL talk is just so much testosterone driven drivel, that allows people to sound oh so manly. Fortunately there's someone in the WH who actually thinks instead of feels.
Sure, of course there are all of these things and you don't own a nuke. Thinking this way is exactly the same as the radicals over there think. What's the diff? This stuff = that stuff
Nice strawman, but the thread is bout this written threat to all human civilization:
"Kill the disbelievers wherever we find them" (Koran 2:191)
"Ye are the best of peoples evolved for mankind." (Koran 3:110)
"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and his messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be to be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and genitals cut off, or to be expelled out of the land. Such will be their humiliation in the world, and in the next world they will face an awful horror." (Koran, 5:33-34)
"Not to make friendship with Jews and Christians" (Koran 5:51)
"Remember Allah inspired the angels: I am with you. Give firmness to the believers. I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: you smite them above their necks and smite all their fingertips off of them." (Koran, 8:12)
"In order that Allah may separate the pure from the impure, put all the impure ones [all non-Muslims] one on top of another in a heap and cast them into hell. They will have been the ones to have lost." (Koran, 8:37)
"If there are twenty amongst you, you will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, you will vanquish a thousand of them [infidels]" (Koran 8:65).
Allah and his messenger announce that it is acceptable to go back on our promises (treaties) and obligations with Pagans and make war on them whenever we find ourselves strong enough to do so (Koran 9:3)
"Fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem" (Koran 9:5)
Our God tells us to "fight the unbelievers" and "He will punish them by our hands, cover them with shame and help us (to victory) over them" (Koran 9:14).
"Until they pay the Jizya [a penalty tax for the non-Muslims living under Islamic rules] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued" (Koran 9:29)
"Unless we go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish us with a grievous penalty, and put others in our place" (9:39).
"O Prophet! Make war against the unbelievers [all non-Muslims] and the hypocrites and be merciless against them. Their home is hell, an evil refuge indeed." (Koran, 9:73)
"Murder them and treat them harshly" (Koran 9:123)
"When you meet the unbelievers in jihad [holy war], chop off their heads. And when you have brought them low, bind your prisoners rigorously. Then set them free or take ransom from them until the war is ended." (Koran, 47:40)
"When we decide to destroy a population, we send a definite order to them who have the good things in life and yet sin. So that Allah's word is proven true against them, then we destroy them utterly." (Koran, 17:16-17)
"How many were the populations we utterly destroyed because of their sins, setting up in their place other peoples." (Koran, 21:11)
"strike off the heads of the disbelievers" (Koran 47:4)
"Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin." (Koran 69:30-37)
Islamic terrorism is based on Islam as revealed through the Quran, keynote speaker Bruce Tefft claimed in a panel discussion at the University of Toronto on jihad and global terrorism. The session, held late last month, was sponsored by the Friends of Simon Wiesenthal Center and the Speakers Action Group.
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He could be onto something here...
http://muhammadanism.org/Muhammad/Muhammad_Terrorism.htm#Actions
There you go again...
"And seek not occasions for mischief in the land: for Allah loves not those who do mischief"
Beware of excesses in matters of religion. For, as a matter of fact, those before you were destroyed by religious immoderation"
"He who kills himself with anything, Allah will torment him with that in the fire of Hell"
"...If anyone killed a person not in retaliation for murder or to spread mischief in the land, it would be as if he killed the whole of mankind. And (likewise) if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the whole of mankind"
If you want we can swap verses until the cows come home.
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