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House Approves U.S. Intelligence Overhaul [336-75]
AP ^ | December 7, 2004 | JESSE J. HOLLAND

Posted on 12/07/2004 4:49:31 PM PST by West Coast Conservative

The House voted Tuesday to overhaul a national intelligence network that failed to prevent the Sept. 11 attacks, combining under one official control of 15 spy agencies, intensifying aviation and border security and allowing more wiretaps of suspected terrorists.

"We have come a long way toward taking steps that will ensure that we do not see another September 11th," said House Rules chairman David Dreier, R-Calif. Now "we have in place a structure that will ensure that we have the intelligence capability to deal with conflicts on the ground wherever they exist."

The House voted 336-75 to send the Senate legislation to create a new national intelligence director, establish a counterterrorism center, set priorities for intelligence gathering and tighten U.S. borders. The measure would implement the biggest change to U.S. intelligence gathering and analysis since the creation of the CIA after World War II to deal with the newly emerging Cold War.

The new structure should help the nation's 15 intelligence agencies work together to protect the country from attacks like the ones that killed nearly 3,000 people in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania, lawmakers said.

"I have always said that good people need better tools. Here come the tools to help good people succeed," said Rep. Jane Harman of California, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee.

The GOP-controlled Senate plans to pass the bill Wednesday and send it to President Bush for his signature.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 911commission; aliens; congress; cornyn; house; houseintelligence; illegalaliens; intelligence; intelligencebill; intelligencereform; mccain; sensenbrenner
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To: OXENinFLA
Thanks for posting.

In addition to Sensenbrenner at least 6 California Republicans voted no.

They're the group that is been stung the worst by illegal immigration and had the guts to stand up against Bush.

101 posted on 12/07/2004 6:30:20 PM PST by Amerigomag
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102 posted on 12/07/2004 6:31:33 PM PST by COEXERJ145
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To: Miss Marple

Pelosi is questioning the Rep house chairman.....bill will be HR10....


103 posted on 12/07/2004 6:36:05 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: COEXERJ145

The last couple of nights we've had a lot of posters needing your above pictured items!!!!

BTW, no one wants to speculate who will be nominated to be the new NID??? I don't even have a clue as to who the dems and reps could agree to.

Also, last night OXEN IN FLA posted the wording to the Intelligence bill that was removed by the senate. What I think is important to point out now is: the changes didn't go into effect for 3 YEARS!!!! Do we know when these changes are supposed to start? If not right now, then why couldn't this bill have waited until January when the actual represtentatives and senators that will be living with the bill will be in congress, not a bunch of lame ducks?


104 posted on 12/07/2004 6:37:27 PM PST by Txsleuth (Proud to be a Texan)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks, Ernest. I think we should get busy talking to our representatives and work on getting this passed early next year.

Now I am going to bed, because I am too tired to argue.

105 posted on 12/07/2004 6:39:55 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple

Rest well!


107 posted on 12/07/2004 6:50:04 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: blackeagle; OXENinFLA; StoneColdGOP
nice find oxen!

A more important find would be the specifics of the bill.

108 posted on 12/07/2004 6:54:21 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: itsmyboy

...sigh...

Let's review. I made no statements whatsoever about how much difference it would make, how effective it would be, or about the Border Patrol's workload. I was simply correcting what appeared to be a factual error in the discussion. You have repeated the erroneous information. The act provides for two thousand new agents every year for the next five years. This equates to ten thousand new USBP agents by 2009.

Personally, I'm in favor of using National Guard divisions to seal our borders, with a 500m wide no-mans-land covered with mine-wire obstacles and covered by both direct and indirect fires.


109 posted on 12/07/2004 6:56:38 PM PST by Terabitten (Live as a bastion of freedom and democracy in the midst of the heart of darkness.)
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To: COEXERJ145

I love it. LOL!!!!


110 posted on 12/07/2004 6:57:17 PM PST by jveritas
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To: itsmyboy
Let's see. On average there will be another 1 million illegals per year sneaking over the boarder. I think 2,000 extra boarder patrol agents should be able to handle the load, do you?

Oh, and by the way, it's spelled b-o-r-d-e-r, not b-o-A-r-d-e-r. It's hard to take an intended flame seriously when you can't even spell it correctly.

111 posted on 12/07/2004 7:03:15 PM PST by Terabitten (Live as a bastion of freedom and democracy in the midst of the heart of darkness.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

"Here come the tools"

yeah, 336 of them.


112 posted on 12/07/2004 7:10:47 PM PST by Amish with an attitude
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To: Jay777

I'm not going to attack you, but this bill is totally worthless.

We had tens of thousands of CIA, NSA and other top national security people on the job before 09/11.

Any guy given 15 minutes with fairly average intelligence would know planes could be used as the weapons they were.

We facilitated the entry of 19 people from terrorist states, directly, or indirectly into our nation. They lied their asses off to gain entry. They obtained driver's licenses and had free reign of the nation.

After this bill has been implemented, there very same thing can and will still happen.

We got the cheerleaders out. They won the day. We reorganized the deck chairs and we implemented more layers of beurocracy.

19 men committed the 09/11 acts. Today upwards of 7,000 people came across our borders without being checked.

But for the grace of God, Arnold Schwarzenegger rescinded the ability for illegal aliens to obtain driver's license in California. It was already in the works. If Davis would have won his bid to defeat the recall, tens if not hundreds of thousands of illegals would already have them. Once they have these documents, they can manipulate the system. For all intents and purposes, the driver's license is the defacto homeland passport. It also facilitates other documents and access to a wide range of services.

Our elected officials are a laughing stock. Our President might just as well be the President of Mexico for all the good he did us on this bill. NOT ONE MEMBER OF AL QAEDA THAT AVOIDS A STATIONARY CHECKPOINT WILL BE STOPPED AT OUR BORDERS DUE TO HIS BILL. NOT EVEN ONE!

Did you know that a known terrorist from a foreign state can present themselves at our border and claim amnesty? Did you know that knowing he is a terrorist, we will still allow them in if they claim they will be persecuted at home? It's the truth.

Tom Tancredo addressed the issue of a Jordanian that plotted to attack the American school in Jordan. He was discoverd and prevented from carrying out this act. Later he presented himself in the United States, claiming he would be persecuted if he was sent back to Jordan. We let him in.

The issue is still in court, but the guy is walking the streets in the meantime.

NONE OF THIS will be corrected due to this bill.

NOT ONE STINKING BIT OF IT!

May God hold the people who are resposible for passing this bill, accountable when the next act of terrorism occurs.


113 posted on 12/07/2004 7:37:50 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservatives)
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To: Penner

Can someone please explain how you intensify NOTHING?

We have in essence zero border security now, and even if they are going to multiply that by 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, the end result is still zero.

We will send 100 new INS agenst to each checkpoint, and leave the interior wide open for those with an IQ over ten to walk right through.

Intensify? Intensify the depth of the B.S. is about it.


114 posted on 12/07/2004 7:49:00 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservatives)
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To: Dog Gone

Adding 2000 new Border Patrol agents is nothing?




It won't ever been enough until we put the entire US Military on the border with Mexico /Sarcasm off


115 posted on 12/07/2004 8:02:07 PM PST by MikefromOhio (32 days until I can leave Iraq for good....)
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To: afnamvet
What's going on?????? Conspiracy???

Yes, it's always a good idea to sleep with one eye open, be vigilant and....keep your powder dry.

We're all in this together. (Red Green told me so)

116 posted on 12/07/2004 8:06:09 PM PST by SlightOfTongue
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To: West Coast Conservative
The bill in it's entirety won't do anything to reform intelligence, but it will add a couple layers of bureaucracy to the process. Which as we all know is a waste of time, energy, money, resources, etc.

As for all the screaming I am seeing about illegal immigration, this wasn't an illegal immigration bill. it was allegedly an Intel reform bill. Which means that, as usual, Congress couldn't stay on subject and concentrate on the Intel portion of this bill.

Had they paid a little bit more attention to the Intel part, and a bit less to the 2000 new USBP part (because you know they debated what the number should be for a week in closed chambers), maybe this bill wouldn't be the clunker that we already can see that it is....
117 posted on 12/07/2004 8:10:02 PM PST by MikefromOhio (32 days until I can leave Iraq for good....)
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To: West Coast Conservative

House Approves U.S. Intelligence Overhaul

Let me get this straight.

Politicians are going to overhaul U.S. intelligence?

Two questions.

Won't that require REAL intelligence?

What's in it for them?


118 posted on 12/07/2004 8:23:28 PM PST by philetus (Zell Miller - One of the few)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Porter Goss must be put in charge.


119 posted on 12/07/2004 8:41:51 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army and Proud of It!)
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To: DoughtyOne

This bill smokes pole from the get go. My entire Army career until retirement was with military intelligence. There is nothing in this bill beyond installing another twinkle-toed political pretty boy at the top -- and I'd bet his required skill set could be easily surpassed by Monica Lewinski.

The rest of it is smoke and mirrors.

Let's see: 2000 Border Patrol agents per year. Is that in addition to current manning or just replacements for the current attrition? And remember the built in caveat - "subject to availability of appropriations". Scratch that one off your list of hopes.

4000 aditional detention beds. With 400,000 absconders running loose, that would handle exactly 1% of the problem. Plus, since this is government, they won't be happy unless all those beds replicate Camp Cupcake with Martha Stewart running the damn kitchen. How about a few tent cities like Joe Arpaio runs up in Maricopa County? A few tents, a few porta-potties, and you're up and operational in a week.


120 posted on 12/07/2004 9:04:23 PM PST by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a mean-spirited and divisive loco gringo armed vigilante terrorist cucaracha!)
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