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Republicans warn of party split over immigration
THE WASHINGTON TIMES ^ | 12/03/04 | Stephen Dinan

Posted on 12/03/2004 10:10:21 AM PST by gubamyster

By Stephen Dinan

THE WASHINGTON TIMES

When House Republicans blocked the intelligence overhaul bill two weeks ago, some congressional Republicans say they were showing President Bush he will split the party if he goes ahead with his broader immigration-reform plan.

"It would cause a break in the party that would be extremely unhealthy for the party," said Rep. Tom Tancredo, Colorado Republican and chairman of the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus. "I can tell you right now, the feelings are deep. This is not a superficial argument with the president.

"We were all willing to shut up during the campaign. We were not going to attack the president. But the campaign is over with and the gloves are off on this issue," Mr. Tancredo said.

He echoed the sentiments of several Republicans who emerged from a House Republican Conference discussion Nov. 20 on the intelligence bill, which they insist include strict national standards to ensure illegal aliens don't acquire driver's licenses.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; borders; bushamnesty; gop; gopmodsquad; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; nationalsecurity; rino; saveourlicenses; vincenteiscorrupt; waronterror; youdontsay
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To: Modernman

Yes I think it was intended to be libertarians also. I hope the religious right and the libertarian wing can reach a modus vivendi somehow. I tend to act like a member of the religious right, and want legislation like a libertarian. I don't think of it as cognitive dissonance. Rather, I think the government should be limited in what it can do based on what enumerated powers the constituion gives a state (or the federal government). I certainly don't believe the feds should be regulating medicine. H3ll, I don't even think the FDA is constitutional, much less any of the federal gun laws.


61 posted on 12/03/2004 11:16:44 AM PST by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules)
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To: gubamyster
Republicans warn of party split over immigration

Wait til ya see what it does to this site.

62 posted on 12/03/2004 11:17:31 AM PST by Protagoras (When your circus has a big tent, you can fit a lot of clowns inside.)
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To: Always Right; SheLion

Re #37:

" Without the religious right there is no GOP party."

Oh, I wouldn't say that, necessarily.

Up here in the true-blue Sheeple's Republik of Maine, there would only be about 2/3 of a Republican Party (the ones who see to it that O.Snowe and S. Collins have lifetime incumbancy and any primary challenger will be generally hung out to dry by their own Party)... the rest of the Country?;... about half, I'd reckon.


63 posted on 12/03/2004 11:19:08 AM PST by Uncle Jaque (Vigilance!)
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To: gubamyster

I realy do not believe that Bush is aware of:
The cost of these Aliens to U. S. Citizens
The true sentment in California and Arizona about illegal immigration
The extent of crime perpetrated by Illegal Aliens.

There was no mention by anyone in the Republican Party prior of this problem prior to the election. This told me that Bush still had his " Guest Worker" ( line out, insert Amnesty)plan.
I changed voter registration to Independent, and made damn sure that no funds went to the Republicans.


64 posted on 12/03/2004 11:20:47 AM PST by Ramonan (Honor does not go out of style.)
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To: GeekDejure

"We were all willing to shut up during the campaign. We were not going to attack the president. But the campaign is over with and the gloves are off on this issue," Mr. Tancredo said.


65 posted on 12/03/2004 11:20:49 AM PST by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a death cult that must end. Save your time...)
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To: All
IMO the President's "guest worker" plan validates the corrupt government of Mexico's economic diaspora. Fine. But what is the ultimate goal? What is bigger than the "guest worker" plan?

Well, IMO it is cross-border "cheap" labor migration worldwide managed internationally as "free trade" with developing countries is managed.

Rather than build their own economies thus benefiting their own citizens leaders of many third world countries push to provide "cheap" labor for advanced countries.

The benefit to the leaders is: they get to tax their nonresident citizens' earnings. That's right.

The source countries tax the income of their citizens "beyond borders". The host country gets the benefit of "cheap" labor and provides "human rights" such as jobs, health care, education, housing, and other human rights.

See Columbia University professor Jagdish Bhagwati campaign for a World Migration Organization.

66 posted on 12/03/2004 11:21:24 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (MSM Fraudcasters are skid marks on journalism's clean shorts.)
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To: Uncle Jaque
That wouldn't be our bothersome opposition to PRENATAL INFANTICIDE, now would it?

I think a serious drive to ban abortion completely would be a political disaster for the GOP.

Realistically, I think the only politically tenable result social conservatives can hope for are restrictions, such as a ban on partial-birth abortions, a ban on abortions in the 3rd trimester, regulation of abortion in the 2nd trimester, parental notification laws etc. But a total ban? Not going to happen.

67 posted on 12/03/2004 11:21:44 AM PST by Modernman (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. --Benjamin Franklin)
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To: RKV
I hope the religious right and the libertarian wing can reach a modus vivendi somehow

It seems to be working lately. However, a lot of social conservatives tend to overreach.

68 posted on 12/03/2004 11:22:47 AM PST by Modernman (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. --Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Willie Green
That's the knife sticking out of your back.
But at least some of us warned you that it was coming.
You better get used to it, there's more to come.

I'll give you a big Amen to that brother. We are entering the night of the perilous knaves.

69 posted on 12/03/2004 11:22:54 AM PST by Ron H. (Immigration to America has always been a privilege and never a right!)
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To: RKV
"Without the religious right there is no GOP party" - Not true. There may not be a GOP MAJORITY, but there would still be a party. Whether you want to hear it or not - public opinion just does not support the complete abolition of abortion at this time.

It is a majority and it is a winning issue. Certainly if you frame it as an all or nothing question, it is a loser. But 2/3rds of the population favor more regulation of abortion. As long as rape, incest, and the life of the mother exceptions are included, the vast majority are against abortion. Pro-life is by a wide margin the single biggest one-issue voting block there is. Certainly, if you want to be dumb and call for a blanket ban on all abortions, you are gonna turn off most voters.

70 posted on 12/03/2004 11:26:23 AM PST by Always Right
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To: Modernman
If I've missed any issues on the social conservative agenda, I'd be happy to comment on them if you bring them up.

No, that was I was looking for. As in your example, abortion is an issue for your wife but not as much for you.

...pushing for prayer in schools

While it may be an issue for some, I think most Christians (or the religious right) would like prayer to be ALLOWED in school not necessarily to have it mandated.

fights to include the teaching of creationism in public schools,

Intelligent design is what I think you are referring to. Macro-Evolution is full of holes and cannot explain away irreducible complexity and other problems. Not allowing for an alternate theory sounds a bit like what the church did to poor Galileo.

...increased obscenity prosecutions

If there were no consequence to having this kind of material or communication, i.e. obscenity, then I would agree with you. But the society EVERYONE has to live in is coarsened by a regular diet of vulgarity (sexual or otherwise) that is passed off as normal behavior.
The most distressing part of this for me is that there is nothing INHERENTLY vulgar about sex or violence when they are in their proper context. Obscenity is when they are used for entertainment outside of that context.

Oh well, I've vented long enough. I appreciate your thoughts on this issue though.

71 posted on 12/03/2004 11:33:43 AM PST by AreaMan
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To: ApesForEvolution; All

Do you believe Congress should pass the intelligence reform bill without the immigration and border security provisions?

Yes 20% 717 votes

No 80% 2908 votes

Total: 3625 votes

www.cnn.com/lou


Contact Senators and House of Reps:

1-877-762-8762


president@whitehouse.gov


72 posted on 12/03/2004 11:33:52 AM PST by AuntB (Every person who enters the U.S. illegally--from anywhere--increases the likelihood of another 9/11)
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To: Ron H.

Love your tagline. Someone has it right.


73 posted on 12/03/2004 11:34:29 AM PST by MegaSilver
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To: AreaMan
The GOP is a big family. We're not as monolithic as the left makes us out to be.

If you're a Democratic politician that doesn't toe the party line, you get the Zell Miller treatment. Meanwhile, the VP openly disagrees with the President on gay marriage.

74 posted on 12/03/2004 11:36:38 AM PST by Modernman (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. --Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Modernman
I think you meant to say "libertarians."

No, I meant libertines because that essentially what the libertarians insist on pursuing.

75 posted on 12/03/2004 11:38:23 AM PST by AreaMan
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To: Modernman
I think you meant to say "libertarians."

No, I meant libertines because that is essentially what the libertarians insist on pursuing.

76 posted on 12/03/2004 11:38:29 AM PST by AreaMan
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To: Wolfstar

And you are incorrect. Tom Ridge left primarily because he will be exploring the possibility of running for president in '08.
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A bit of a stretch. My opinion still holds since I cannot see Ridge agreeing with GWB on the borders issue... and I don't think that Ridge would have a chance at the Presidential slot -- while he was Gov of PA, not much else on his resume. But stranger things have happened.


77 posted on 12/03/2004 11:38:49 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: gubamyster

My ultra conservative grown son was so angry right before the election that he was threatening NOT to vote for Bush because of immigration and driver's lic. for illegals. It is a HOT issue.


78 posted on 12/03/2004 11:38:55 AM PST by buffyt (~ Get the UN out of the US and get the US out of the UN ! ~)
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To: myheroesareDeadandRegistered

"BTW, the Serbs were no angels, but the way I see it we were on the wrong side of the Kosovo thing."

More and more people are coming to that conclusion.


79 posted on 12/03/2004 11:38:57 AM PST by AuntB (Every person who enters the U.S. illegally--from anywhere--increases the likelihood of another 9/11)
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To: gubamyster

I know what side of the "split" I'm on. We must put an end to illegal immigration.


80 posted on 12/03/2004 11:40:43 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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