Posted on 12/02/2004 3:56:16 PM PST by reportgirl73
GRAND ISLAND, N.Y. (AP) - An elementary school bus driver was fired after sharing a statistic she had read about embryonic stem cell research with students, then encouraging them to tell their parents about it.
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That's precisely the problem. They are young children, who will be receptive to just about anything that is presented to them by just about anyone resembling an authority figure. Including the substitute bus driver, which is why it's not appropriate for such figures to usurp parental authority and decide for others how, when, where, and what their children will learn about stem cells. Especially on a topic as controversial as stem cells. It's not the damn bus driver's job to share every little thing that dribbles into her head with her charges - her job is to drive the bus.
If this was a leftist hippy bus driver encouraging her riders to go home and tell their parents how wonderful it was that women can choose to have abortions, or how unfair it is that pot's illegal, we'd be getting out the hounds and torches and getting ready to hang her. And rightly so. But instead, because she's got the "correct" opinion, half the posters on this thread are prepared to give her a pat on the back and buy her an ice cream to reward her.
Well, I don't think so. The difference between right and left is that we ourselves abide by the same rules we expect others to abide by. We do not set one standard for everyone else, and then give ourselves tacit permission to live by some other standard. You and I and the bus driver - we are not better parents to those children than their real parents are, and we are not justified in behaving as though we are. The ends cannot be used to justify the means, and if promoting the "right" set of values means that we have to spit on the integrity of someone else's family - well, that's not worth the price, not to me. Not if we have to become no different than the left we claim to oppose. Period.
I will send your comment to the Muslim School Bus Drivers Association and tell them that you approve of bus drivers indoctrinating other people's children.
She wasn't indoctrinating the children; she was attempting to undo the indoctrination they had already been subjected to.
But she will. She will be persecuted for her faith, along with many others. Sounds like Mrs. Mayor can take it. And I'm sure she appreciates your support.
...anyone promoting such demonic ideas to children would be removed from such a position of responsibility and encouraged to find another community to call home.
Good luck trying that.
You get your free speech and they get theirs.
But we're getting off my main point. Don't use my child to convey your opinions to me. No matter the good intentions. It irritates me (so I will immediately disregard your message) and gives them the opening to do the same.
Rats, you caught me. I'm actually a 70 year old 300 lbs chinese woman.
Mrs. Mayor has more cahones than you'll ever have, and none of the attitude.
To quote The Nuge:
ANYWAY
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The biggest people with the biggest ideas can be shot down by the smallest people with the smallest minds. Think big anyway!
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People really need help, but may attack you if you help them. Help them anyway!
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But, I would imagine the good bus driver was talking specifically about fetal stem cell research.
Now, when you explain Fetal Stem Cells you would have to mention things like sex and conception.
How, Lovely, A School Bus Driver Conducting A Sex Education Seminar on the way home from class.
Would it be okay if you left it up to my wife and I to teach our kids about sex?
"In response to another comment you made, general_re, the article doesn't say the children brought up the topic, but that they were RECEPTIVE to it."(Tough Stough)
I originally responded to you to correct your reply above.
As I said, I believe the topic is too complex for children of that age group. But until Liberals are also held accountable for the indoctrination of children in the classroom, I am not going to become upset by conservatives who choose to introduce topics from a conservative point of view.
"If this was a leftist hippy bus driver encouraging her riders to go home and tell their parents how wonderful it was that women can choose to have abortions, or how unfair it is that pot's illegal, we'd be getting out the hounds and torches and getting ready to hang her. And rightly so."
That's right because children are already too exposed to that kind of thinking not only from their Liberal teachers in the classroom but also in the popular culture. Until those teachers are told to shut up, these children NEED a balance.
"Well, I don't think so. The difference between right and left is that we ourselves abide by the same rules we expect others to abide by. We do not set one standard for everyone else, and then give ourselves tacit permission to live by some other standard."
We are not discussing, sleeping around, or homosexuality or pro-abortion all immoral, sinful behaviors which in varying degrees liberals promote at every opportunity even and sometimes especially in the classroom. Mrs. Mayor broached and promoted the moral and scientific side of a question which some parents may have objected to. Hardly sinful and hardly indoctrination since she asked them to discuss it with their parents. She violated to some, a standard and a standard by which Liberals are almost NEVER required to live by. Big Whoop. Now if she had lied about the issue, like the Liberals do about almost EVERY issue including stem cell research, than I would agree with your opinion as well as your self righteous tone.
Thus, until such time as the Liberals are required to shut up, Mrs. Mayor will receive no criticism from me.
I also responded to you because I agreed that it was not a topic that was appropriate to the age group she chose to discuss it with, which is an entirely different issue.
I do look forward to the day when teachers TEACH and NONE of these topics are discussed in the classroom except in classrooms where the subject matter is appropriate (history, political science, and philosophy classes for instance) and two or more sides of the argument are presented and throughly discussed in much the same manner as we do on this forum.
If one school bus driver can tell kids their beliefs then ALL Bus Drivers should able to spout their nonsense.
Or I guess we could establish another Federal Agency that would give approval of what can be spoken about on a school bus. Would that make you happy?
Another Federal Agency for the Nanny State?
One more thing; it is ridiculous she was FIRED for this.
Liberals spout nonsense. We don't. That's the difference.
Who should decide what is nonsense and what is not?
The bottom line here is the Bus Driver provided a sex education lesson to Elementary School children without the consent of their parents.
Anyway, it doesn't count as martyrdom when you nail yourself to a cross. She danced her jig, and now she can pay the piper - and unlike some here, I will have the virtue of consistent principles when the next thread is posted about some leftist idiot injecting politics into elementary schools.
Good Point. The funny thing here is that if this school bus driver goes to court and wins a Gay Bus Driver can cite her case as precedence for and then explain his moral values to the kids on the bus.
This will never happen. Do you know why? Because you are terribly busy undermining your own stated goal.
Amen!
Otherwise, she wasn't wrong. Sorry. The adage doesn't apply here.
"This will never happen. Do you know why? Because you are terribly busy undermining your own stated goal." (Dianna)
WOW, I'm a heap more powerful than I thought, Pilgrim. Thanks for the compliment.
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