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Hmong hunter said to be shaman
Duluth News Tribune ^ | 12/1/2004 | STEPHEN KINZER

Posted on 12/01/2004 4:47:41 AM PST by PjhCPA

ST. PAUL - The man charged with murdering six hunters and wounding two others in Northwestern Wisconsin last week is a Hmong shaman who has called on the spirit world in trances that last up to three hours, his family and friends say.

The accused, Chai Soua Vang of St. Paul, seeks "the other world" when he tries to cure sick people or invoke divine protection for those who request it, said Ber Xiong, his friend and former hunting companion.

"He is a special person," Xiong said. "Chai speaks to the other side. He asks the spirits there to release people who are suffering on Earth."

Xiong said that Vang, a 36-year-old truck driver, was one of about 100 shamans among St. Paul's immigrant community of about 25,000 Hmong from Laos. He said he had assisted Vang in several shamanistic ceremonies, most recently two years ago, when an extended family asked him to ensure its health and prosperity.

"He danced on a small table for about two hours," said Xiong, an employee of an audio-technology business in Bloomington, Minn. "He was calling out the whole time, not to the people in the room, but to the other world. My job was to sit near the table and make sure he did not fall off."

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But in a brief interview, Vang's sister, Mai, confirmed that he was thought to have mystical powers.

"He is a shaman," Vang said. "But I don't know how long he has been one."

Cher Xee Vang, a prominent leader among the Hmong in Minnesota, said the suspect, to whom he is not closely related, had often participated in curing ceremonies.

"Chai Vang is a shaman," Cher Xee Vang said. "When we needed him to cure the ill with traditional ways of healing, he would."

(Excerpt) Read more at duluthsuperior.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: aliens; bang; vang; wihunters
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1 posted on 12/01/2004 4:47:41 AM PST by PjhCPA
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To: Ladysmith

Ping to you...


2 posted on 12/01/2004 4:48:34 AM PST by PjhCPA ("...armed with what?...SPITBALLS!!!")
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To: PjhCPA
The unfortunate, recently departed, we are now expected to understand, invaded the shaman's temple space?
3 posted on 12/01/2004 4:51:29 AM PST by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: PjhCPA

Oh, oh. This means its a case of religious persecution, and the man cannot be charged with a crime. That's in the penumbra of the First Amendment. Darn! If only this guy were a Christian -- then he'd be fair game for criminal prosecution.


4 posted on 12/01/2004 4:52:42 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: PjhCPA

I don't care one whit about his job. He still has to answer for what he has done!


5 posted on 12/01/2004 4:53:35 AM PST by TMSuchman (American by birth,rebel by choice, MARINE BY GOD!)
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To: First_Salute

Is this an attempt to convince a jury that this tragic incident was unavoidable and therefore, Hmong is not responsible for his actions? Phooey!


6 posted on 12/01/2004 4:53:47 AM PST by smiley (Watch out Dems! I'm a William F. Buckley Conservative!!)
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To: PjhCPA

Perhaps he can shaman his way out of jail. I doubt it. If convicted, I suspect he'll get shanked.


7 posted on 12/01/2004 4:56:44 AM PST by csvset
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To: PjhCPA

Just makes me want him to fry even more.


8 posted on 12/01/2004 5:00:33 AM PST by 14erClimb
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To: TMSuchman
He still has to answer for what he has done!

Amen.

9 posted on 12/01/2004 5:02:55 AM PST by PjhCPA ("...armed with what?...SPITBALLS!!!")
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To: PjhCPA
"He danced on a small table for about two hours... My job was to sit near the table and make sure he did not fall off."

Words fail me.

10 posted on 12/01/2004 5:03:04 AM PST by gg188
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To: smiley

I view this story as a subtle attempt to undermine the rule of law that we all live under. If any rock breaker neanderthal can claim special priviledge for their primitive beliefs, we can forget about the finer points like protecting our families.


11 posted on 12/01/2004 5:03:53 AM PST by Thebaddog (Dawgs at rest.)
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To: PjhCPA
Leviticus, chapter 19

31: Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God.

Chapter 20

6: And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits, and after wizards, to go a whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people.

12 posted on 12/01/2004 5:04:48 AM PST by Red Badger (If the Red States are JESUSLAND, then the Blue States are SATANLAND......)
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To: PjhCPA
Assimilation continues apace in this country.

Yep.

Leni

13 posted on 12/01/2004 5:05:59 AM PST by MinuteGal
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To: TMSuchman
I don't care one whit about his job. He still has to answer for what he has done!

BTTT

14 posted on 12/01/2004 5:06:56 AM PST by Minuteman23
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To: PjhCPA
"He is a special person," Xiong said. "Chai speaks to the other side.

He should tell them to set an extra plate.

15 posted on 12/01/2004 5:18:33 AM PST by OSHA (Tip O' the Day. Straighten a warped sense of humor by clamping it between two uptight liberals.)
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To: PjhCPA; Iowa Granny; ohioWfan; Petruchio; SJackson; Rytwyng; Dr Snide; ozaukeemom; Graybeard58; ...
Ping.

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16 posted on 12/01/2004 5:27:25 AM PST by Ladysmith (Wisconsin Hunter Shootings: If you want on/off the WI Hunters ping list, please let me know.)
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To: PjhCPA
The hunters were murdered. IMO, this should be treated as a 'hate crime'.

Why have we heard nothing from the MSM and FNC? Is it too hot to handle?.
But had a white man shot and killed 6 Homg(sp) and two still in the hospital........can you even imagine the outcry from the media!
It would be 24/7.

17 posted on 12/01/2004 5:27:25 AM PST by mickie
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To: PjhCPA

Well, I see they're establishing the basis for an insanity defense: many traditional cultures set aside as shamans those we would set aside in in-patient psychiatic facilities.


18 posted on 12/01/2004 5:29:23 AM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know what this was)
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To: Ladysmith

Please put me on your ping list. This seems to be the only place to read about this horrible story.


19 posted on 12/01/2004 5:29:40 AM PST by mickie
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To: PjhCPA

shaman? translation? "nutjob"


20 posted on 12/01/2004 5:30:49 AM PST by isom35
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