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Netherlands Hospital Euthanizes Babies (The "Final Solution," Part Deux)
Yahoo! News (AP) ^ | 11/30/2004 | Toby Sterling

Posted on 11/30/2004 11:17:14 AM PST by Pyro7480

Netherlands Hospital Euthanizes Babies

By TOBY STERLING, Associated Press Writer

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands - Raising the stakes in an excruciating ethical debate, a hospital in the Netherlands — the first nation to permit euthanasia — recently proposed guidelines for mercy killings of terminally ill newborns, and then made a startling revelation: It has already begun carrying out such procedures in a handful of cases and reporting them to the government.

The announcement last month by the Groningen Academic Hospital came amid a growing discussion in Holland on whether to legalize euthanasia on people incapable of deciding for themselves whether they want to end their lives — a prospect viewed with horror by euthanasia opponents and as a natural evolution by advocates.

In August, the main Dutch doctors' association KNMG urged the Health Ministry to create an independent board to review euthanasia cases for terminally ill people "with no free will," including children, the severely mentally retarded, and people left in an irreversible coma after an accident.

The Health Ministry is preparing its response to the request, a spokesman said, and it may come as soon as December.

Three years ago, the Dutch parliament made it legal for doctors to inject a sedative and a lethal dose of muscle relaxant at the request of adult patients suffering great pain with no hope of relief.

The Groningen Protocol, as the hospital's guidelines have come to be known, would create a legal framework for permitting doctors to actively end the life of newborns deemed to be in similar pain from incurable disease or extreme deformities.

The guideline says euthanasia is acceptable when the child's medical team and independent doctors agree the pain cannot be eased and there is no prospect for improvement, and when parents think it's best.

Examples include extremely premature births, where children suffer brain damage from bleeding and convulsions; and diseases where a child could only survive on life support for the rest of its life such as spina bifida and epidermosis bullosa, a blistering illness.

The hospital said it carried out four such mercy killings in 2003, and reported all cases to government prosecutors — but there have been no legal proceedings taken against them.

Catholic organizations and the Vatican have reacted with outrage to Groningen's announcement, and U.S. euthanasia opponents contend that the proposal shows the Dutch have lost their moral compass.

"The slippery slope in the Netherlands has descended already into a vertical cliff," said Wesley J. Smith, a prominent California-based critic, in an e-mail to The Associated Press.

Child euthanasia remains illegal everywhere. Experts say doctors outside of Holland do not report cases for fear of prosecution.

"As things are, people are doing this secretly and that's wrong," said Eduard Verhagen, head of Groningen's children's' clinic. "In the Netherlands we want to expose everything, to let everything be subjected to vetting."

According to the Justice Ministry, four cases of child euthanasia were reported to prosecutors in 2003. Two were reported in 2002, seven in 2001 and five in 2000. All the cases in 2003 were reported by Groningen, but some of the cases in other years were from other hospitals.

Groningen estimated the protocol would be applicable in about 10 cases per year in the Netherlands, a country with 16 million people.

Since the introduction of the Dutch law, Belgium has also legalized euthanasia, while in France, legislation to allow doctor-assisted suicide is currently under debate. In the United States, the state of Oregon is alone in allowing physician-assisted suicide, but this is under constant legal challenge.

However, experts acknowledge that doctors euthanize routinely in the United States but that such practice is hidden.

"Measures that might marginally extend a child's life by minutes or hours or days or weeks are stopped. This happens routinely, namely, every day," said Lance Stell, professor of medical ethics at Davidson College and staff ethicist at Carolinas Medical Center in the United States. "Everybody knows that it happens, but there's a lot of hypocrisy. Instead, people talk about things they're not going to do."

More than half of all deaths occur under medical supervision, so it's really about management and method of death, Stell said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Political Humor/Cartoons
KEYWORDS: culture; cultureofdeath; death; deathculture; europe; euthanasia; infanticide; morality; netherlands; newborns; righttodie
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To: litany_of_lies

Sorry..it was the first thing that came to mind.

181 posted on 11/30/2004 2:56:08 PM PST by evad (DUmmie FUnnies and Pookie Toons-the start of a nice day)
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To: nina0113
Have you considered Christendom?

I have some very sad news for you.

182 posted on 11/30/2004 3:21:18 PM PST by iconoclast (Conservative, not partisan)
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To: Pyro7480

The next step is any old person who can not get out of bed on his/her own ...


183 posted on 11/30/2004 3:25:33 PM PST by John Lenin
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To: AnAmericanMother
If your daughter chooses W&L, warn her about the prevalence of alcohol on campus. They even have an "over the hump night" on Wed. nights, to celebrate that the week is half over. Professors complain that they can never give tests on Thurs. because everyone is hung over.

My youngest daughter graduated from Catholic U. She could have rolled out of bed into the beautiful basilica for Mass but you could probably count on one hand the number of times she attended during her four years. Sigh. I worked my can off doing overtime for four years so she could attend a Catholic school.
184 posted on 11/30/2004 3:27:04 PM PST by k omalley (Caro Enim Mea, Vere est Cibus, et Sanguis Meus, Vere est Potus)
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To: cvq3842
Understood. But then again, if someone gets "dinner and a movie" and then spends the night with their date, the IRS doesn't consider it taxable income!!! :)

Ever hear of barter clubs? People exchange goods with each other of greater or lesser value, like they did before money was invented. Well, guess what, the IRS wants that declared too!

185 posted on 11/30/2004 3:27:53 PM PST by A Ruckus of Dogs
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To: Pyro7480
This can't be wrong. After all, Euros are morally superior to Americans.

(/sarcasm)

186 posted on 11/30/2004 3:40:24 PM PST by aculeus
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To: iconoclast
Have you considered Christendom?

I have some very sad news for you.

You've piqued my interest.

187 posted on 11/30/2004 3:44:59 PM PST by The Iguana
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To: Pyro7480

Just an inconvenient mass of cells, in this case doomed anyway....

(Actually, this is hardly new. For years, as part of its one-child policy, China has been euthanizing excess and unauthorized babies born to parents who already have a child. The preferred method there is an injection of alcohol directly into the brain via the "soft spot" at the top of an infantls skull. A cheap and easy method of disposal of an inconvenient mass of cells.)


188 posted on 11/30/2004 4:00:36 PM PST by RightOnTheLeftCoast (You're it)
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To: Modernman
Had the same thing at Cornell... the girls came down on buses or vans from schools up the lake. I dated a girl from Wells who came down to Ithaca that way. >blush<
189 posted on 11/30/2004 4:01:59 PM PST by Gondring (They can have my Bill of Rights when they pry it from my cold, dead hands!)
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To: Blzbba
My thoughts, too. I understand the concerns associated with euthenasia. I don't think we should make it legal, because the possible and inevitable abuses would present a whole new horrible set of problems. But if I knew that those administering euthenasia all had the strictest standards --only when death was inevitable and the pain severe-- a mercy killing would be the most humane. Sometimes I think that pets are treated better when they are at death's door and in extreme pain, because they can be quickly and humanely put down. ---Then again, a lot of people have their pets euthenized for stupid, non-pain reasons. And unfortunately the same will happen to humans if euthenasia were legalized.

There just aren't any easy answers. It may be better to let a thousand dying people suffer excruciating pain to the natural end than to risk having the lives of 10 curable people ended unnecessarily.

190 posted on 11/30/2004 4:17:17 PM PST by Sally II
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To: Sally II

"There just aren't any easy answers. It may be better to let a thousand dying people suffer excruciating pain to the natural end than to risk having the lives of 10 curable people ended unnecessarily."


Agreed and thanks for your well-written response!


191 posted on 11/30/2004 4:25:50 PM PST by Blzbba (Conservative Republican - Less gov't, less spending, less intrusion.)
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To: Gondring

I have personally witnessed four deaths (actually one was a friend who died a day or two after the last time I saw her) where nature took its course. When people are getting ready to die, they don't want to drink any more. You can call it dehydration, but they don't*want*to*drink. The individuals are gradually detaching from the body. Two of the individuals - when I was personally present - had no experience of pain whatsoever and had ceased taking any medication. Another one was more or less comatose due to morphine. And the fourth one was also pain free near the end, without any medication. It's amazing what can happen near death. Nature is really the best mother.

If people want to commit suicide, that's their business. Once it becomes the government's business to "assist", the slippery slope comes into effect, just as this article (and my comments) indicate. No amount of "feelings" and "my friend" anecdotes can change this reality.

I spend a lot of time with terminally ill people, btw.


192 posted on 11/30/2004 4:29:09 PM PST by little jeremiah (Moral Absolutes? Do they exist? i If so, what are they and where did they come from?)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

From what the hospice nurses say, nothing beats morphine. A person can take enough to beat pain but still be conscious and not feel overly drugged. Never having taken opiates myself, I have no personal experience.


193 posted on 11/30/2004 4:30:36 PM PST by little jeremiah (Moral Absolutes? Do they exist? i If so, what are they and where did they come from?)
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To: little jeremiah

"Two of the individuals - when I was personally present - had no experience of pain whatsoever and had ceased taking any medication."

My mother had a similar experience. I call it life-after-death, although that's not PC anymore. An amazing testimony. I'm sure many do suffer tremendously, however. And I'm all for morphine or whatever else.

We must revere life, especially the lives of the most young and helpless. But also the lives of our elders. That is the glue that holds civilization together. FReegards....


194 posted on 11/30/2004 4:56:25 PM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (The UN wants to regulate the farts of livestock.)
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To: Pyro7480; Agnes Heep; agrace; Aliska; amdgmary; A-plus; atruelady; attagirl; Babalu; ...
It is time for the United States to withdraw diplomatic recognition from the barbaric Netherlands.

Call, fax, email your congressmen.

.

195 posted on 11/30/2004 5:06:57 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The Lord has given us President Bush; let's now turn this nation back to him)
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To: Pyro7480

Sometimes countries get what they deserve. Maybe it will take the threat of the Muslims to straighten them out.


196 posted on 11/30/2004 5:09:50 PM PST by thathamiltonwoman
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To: mainepatsfan
"The biggest problem with social security is we stupid people are living to damn long."

No, the only problem with social security is the 45 million aborted citizens that will never have a job or contribute.

197 posted on 11/30/2004 5:26:42 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The Lord has given us President Bush; let's now turn this nation back to him)
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To: Lucretia Borgia

It's MURDER!


198 posted on 11/30/2004 5:30:32 PM PST by Florida native
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To: editor-surveyor

The Muslims in Holland are witnessing a culture in full descent down the slippery slope of death, with low birthrates, high abortion rates and now a wider practice of euthanasia. For the Dutch to expect them to integrate into that culture is evidence that they are smoking some grade-a stuff.


199 posted on 11/30/2004 5:36:04 PM PST by rimmont
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To: AnAmericanMother

There is a great conservative Anglican church in Davidson. (Parishioners comprise Davidson Catholics and conservative ex-Episcopalians.) Quite a few of the Davidson college kids are attending, as a group, for full communion every Sunday. :-)

http://www.tcotgs.org/

Alternatively there are plenty of folks heading down to Huntersville, which has a huge Catholic church (St. Marks), 6 miles from the college.


200 posted on 11/30/2004 5:37:59 PM PST by TaxRelief (out-of-the-closet conservative)
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