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Red Cross Finds Detainee Abuse in Guantánamo
New York Times ^ | 11/30/04 | NEIL A. LEWIS

Posted on 11/29/2004 7:21:26 PM PST by wagglebee

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To: wagglebee

Wasn't it the Red Cross that bungled the WTC fundraiser?


21 posted on 11/29/2004 7:38:01 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: wagglebee
Perhaps the Red Cross would like to comment on their inspection over the conditions endured by Capt Scott Speicher.........Nah...I didnt think so..!

God Bless Scott Speicher..!

22 posted on 11/29/2004 7:38:31 PM PST by Jay Howard Smith
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To: Brilliant

Actually that was the American Red Cross, which is totally separate from the ICRC, and they fired the president of the American Red Cross.


23 posted on 11/29/2004 7:39:44 PM PST by wagglebee (Memo to sKerry: the only thing Bush F'ed up was your career)
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To: wagglebee

The "torture" is probably a failure on *our* part to allow them to fully self-actualize by blowing themselves up in a pizza parlor full of children.

Yep... all our fault.


24 posted on 11/29/2004 7:42:09 PM PST by Ramius (Time? What time do you think we have?)
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To: wagglebee

Yes... a little more here too..

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_red-cross.htm


25 posted on 11/29/2004 7:42:15 PM PST by JesseJane ("If the enemy is in range, so are you." -Infantry Journal)
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To: wagglebee

The MSM is working overtime with their useful idiots in order to attack Bush.


26 posted on 11/29/2004 7:45:05 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: longtermmemmory

Bush won, they're stuck with him for four more years, you'd think they would find something better to do.


27 posted on 11/29/2004 7:47:09 PM PST by wagglebee (Memo to sKerry: the only thing Bush F'ed up was your career)
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To: JudyinCanada
Why is it only "tantamount to torture"?

Should be all-out, no doubts about it, full-blown, pedal to the metal, unbearable, spill your guts kind of torture.

Exactly.

I looked up "tantamount" just to be sure I was interpreting it correctly. Definition: equivalent in value, significance, or effect

So, if they're saying that the treatment of the prisoners is equivalent to torture, they're saying it's torture. Except it isn't or the Red Cross would have said so.

My opinion is that it's Red Cross doublespeak, it doesn't mean anything. And furthermore, I don't care what the Red Cross says. Aren't they the ones that kept a lot of the donation money from 9/11 away from the victims, until the law forced them to pay it out? Don't they still have some of that donation money, intended for the 9/11 victims and their familes, on some miserable pretext or other?

28 posted on 11/29/2004 7:47:43 PM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: JesseJane

I am a close friend of one of the American Red Cross board members, he was also on the committee to choose the new president. I know for an absolute fact that almost every board member was furious about what happened.


29 posted on 11/29/2004 7:49:41 PM PST by wagglebee (Memo to sKerry: the only thing Bush F'ed up was your career)
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To: wagglebee
...sometimes physical coercion "tantamount to torture"

Translation: "Though we'd love to be able to call it torture, we can't. So we're throwing it in our statement anyway while linked with the big fancy word 'tantamount' so most of the idiots who read the NY Times will receive this story the way we want them to."

30 posted on 11/29/2004 7:53:58 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (All I ask from livin' is to have no chains on me. All I ask from dyin' is to go naturally.)
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To: wagglebee
Left out on final edit at the NY Times:

"The most flagrant violation of the freedom fighters' human rights came when camp officials denied them access to Iraq beheading videos, the viewing of which is now widely regarded as an integral part of standard Islamic religious services.

31 posted on 11/29/2004 7:57:38 PM PST by dagnabbit (Don't let Europe happen to America. Tell Bush & Congress to stop their massive Islamic immigration.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Saddam ran rape and torture rooms for a quarter of a century and the leftist media didn't even bother to report it because otherwise they would lose their Iraqi press credentials.


32 posted on 11/29/2004 7:57:58 PM PST by wagglebee (Memo to sKerry: the only thing Bush F'ed up was your career)
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To: wagglebee

That is good to know. Still, for us, after learning of the political antics of the Red Cross, and United Way.. we now give primarily to Veterans groups.

I recently learned that the Red Cross used to charge our soldiers for coffee and cigarettes in WWII. I was stunned. I hadn't known that the Red Cross treated our 'boys' this way. For that, they can stuff it.


33 posted on 11/29/2004 8:04:06 PM PST by JesseJane ("If the enemy is in range, so are you." -Infantry Journal)
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To: wagglebee

It is far worse that Bush won.

Even beyond 2008, the left will be out of power. Bush did not just win, he created a conservative majority that votes and the conservative majority likes being heard.

The nation may be divided however, the nation is not evenly divided. The left is shrinking in size and power and they know it.


34 posted on 11/29/2004 8:04:09 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: JesseJane

The American Red Cross is run primarily by conservative Republicans, remember Elizabeth Dole was their president for a number of years.


35 posted on 11/29/2004 8:06:42 PM PST by wagglebee (Memo to sKerry: the only thing Bush F'ed up was your career)
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To: wagglebee

At the end of World War II the Red Cross helped Nazi war criminals obtain passports. I wonder if they're doing the same for terrorists today?


36 posted on 11/29/2004 8:10:12 PM PST by Fedora
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To: wagglebee

And the right wing media is silent about the traitor Hanoi Kerry

Contact your current
senators and representatives

and right wing media

and find out why Hanoi Kerry still is in the US Senate.
Demand that this traitor is removed from the US Senate now!

There is no need to impeach him.

He's in violation of the
US Constitution 14th Amendment Section 3
and violation of 18 USC 953
- Private correspondence with foreign governments
and UCMJ Section 904. ART. 104.
- Aiding the Enemy.

Don't be like the silent majority in the 60's and 70's
and turn your back on America and cave in to the anti war minority.
Speak up for America today!

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37 posted on 11/29/2004 8:26:31 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Why do 99 US Senators allow a traitor in their midst? Why is right wing media silent?)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
"The Red Cross said publicly 13 months ago that the system of keeping detainees indefinitely without allowing them to know their fates was unacceptable and would lead to mental health problems".

Gee that almost is as bad as what the terrorists do to their hostages- ALMOST! But none of the detainees has lost his head.

38 posted on 11/29/2004 8:40:30 PM PST by dvan
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To: dvan

Well MSM says it's bad, so it must be bad! < /sacarsm>


39 posted on 11/29/2004 8:42:23 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Why do 99 US Senators allow a traitor in their midst? Why is right wing media silent?)
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To: wagglebee

This is war. There are innocent people who need to be protected, and there are people who will stop at nothing to hurt those innocents. If the jihadists know that their punishment at our hands will be no worse than their best day in their homeland, what's to stop them from making every effort to come to our shores and set off bombs, derail trains, crash airplanes, infect, pollute, irradiate, destroy and lay waste. Their secrets will be safe, their bodies inviolate, while somewhere their comrades continue to plot and move forward horrific plans they have already shown they are willing to carry out.

What about the innocent people in this country who are subjected to a seemingly endless stream of threats by way of the media? They, too, suffer. They suffer from not knowing whether they will die in a plane crash or from incineration in a nuclear blast, or from wondering if a loved one will meet a horrific end at the hands of the very people we are now constrained to coddle and pamper.

Enough.

Tantamount to torture? Insufficient. They are taking part in hell on earth. They forfeit their rights to "humane" treatment by the enterprise in which they were caught. Make them fear for their immortal souls, and get some good information out of them. Then put them out of our misery and let the dogs drag their rotting carcasses around the island.

I'm sure they already wish the same for us.


40 posted on 11/29/2004 8:58:18 PM PST by SlowBoat407 (Couldn't you have stopped shooting at us and watched your baby grow instead?)
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