Red Cross Finds Detainee Abuse in Guantánamo

New York Times ^ | 11/30/04 | NEIL A. LEWIS

[Former Dodger]

That's it: SHARPEN THE SWORDS!

Let's give them a true Islamic treatment, since the Red Cross and all the other bleeding hearts seem to find NO FAULT with the methods of the enemy.

Industrial strength wood-chippers, anyone?

[nj26]

"But the Red Cross report hints strongly at an explanation of some of those accusations by stating that there were frequent complaints by prisoners in 2003 that some of the female interrogators baited their subjects with sexual overtures."

This article seems to be alleging "torture" based upon two practices. Cooperation between the base doctors and interrogators. And using attractive women as the interrogators.

That's the sum total of what the NY Times managed to dig up. And I'm sure they've been trying.

So, we're supposed to be sad that they're getting psychoanalyzed like a bunch of neurotic Manhattanites, and then questioned by a Halle Berry or Julia Roberts lookalike?

[nj26]

And I forgot.. they're being made to listen to rap music.

This is shocking... lol.

[Route101]

.....Do you think having to decide if you would rather burn to death or jump from the top of a skyscraper is tatamount to torture????......Get the hell out of Dodge Red Cross!!!...Those rag heads can rot in hell!!!.....

[SunkenCiv]

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[MississippiMan]

It's an utter shame when even an organization like the Red Cross--an organization purportedly in existence to take medical aid to those who are in urgent need--has turned into nothing more than another radical-left splinter. Sickening.

MM

[dts32041]

Next time we release some of the Jihadists, they should be released at the HQ of the International red Cross in the same condition we found them, (you know skinny dirty wounded and with weapons) and then tell the red cross to get them home.

[dts32041]

BTW isn't this the same organization that allows the PLO to move their fighters with ambulances, or is that the UN.

I forget sometimes, you hear from one NGO, you hear from them all.

[JesseJane]

You know, I'm not sure if it was on 9/11... Or perhaps just the New York chapter is the one giving cash to the DNC... but that bothered me too.

Anyway, the Red Cross smells like the UN to me.

[OESY]

In the interrogation room, enemy combatants are brought in with leg shackles which are attached to the ring in the floor in front of the folding chair at left. Sometimes they were forced to sit for long periods on an unpadded seat. Often, when a prisoner lurched at his interrogator, he would hurt himself where the shackles caused skin abrasions.

A detainee who cooperates with interrogators and follows rules is given white clothing to wear. Clearly, this was as humiliating as wearing women's panties on their heads. Furthermore, the International Red Cross found that goodbye salutations from guards, such as "See ya tomorrow. I'll be-heading home now," were clearly designed to cause anxiety among those terrorists who had previously beheaded Westerners.

A cell and a meeting room at Camp Echo at Guantánamo, where lawyers can meet with detainees. As everyone knows, having to talk with human rights lawyers was by far the most abusive torture prisoners had to suffer. Nine out of ten terrorists surveyed preferred loud and persistent music, solitary confinement, cold food, and temperature extremes (i.e., no air conditioning). /sarc.

[TChris]

...the system...was unacceptable and would lead to mental health problems.

Lead to mental health problems??? Why do you think these guys are in there?

Oh, and the inhuman torture of having your medical records read... I can't even fathom the excruciating pain.

Sheesh!

[evad]

Oh, and the inhuman torture of having your medical records read... I can't even fathom the excruciating pain. Sheesh!

LOL..yes, maybe even subjected to the old 'panties on the head' trick.

Like I said, I certainly hope they were dealt with by methods tantamount to torture. Hell, make it just plain torture, forget the tantamount.

[Publius Valerius]

Should be all-out, no doubts about it, full-blown, pedal to the metal, unbearable, spill your guts kind of torture.

Is that right? Huh. So I suppose you think all the beheadings in Iraq are just peachy keen?

You people get all righteous and indignant when US citizens are tortured abroad, but you seem to be all for it when it is the US government doing the torture. Countries that condone or participate in torture are uncivilized and savage. That is the long and the short of it. The United States should neither participate in nor condone such actions. Those that engage in torture should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, and spend the better part of their natural lives breaking rocks in rural Kansas.

[JudyinCanada]

Yes, that's right.

You equate beheadings with torture? I don't. I think beheadings are exceptionally barbaric murder. I think they are the personification of evil.

I think when you have captured enemies and they are likely holding information that, if extracted, would thwart a future attack, it is your duty to put whatever pressure it takes to make them give out that information. Shame on you if you don't, and innocents are killed.

When there is a group of "people" who have made it clear they want you dead, you do whatever needs to be done to prevent this from happening.

[Publius Valerius]

I think beheadings are exceptionally barbaric...

And torture isn't? What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

I think when you have captured enemies and they are likely holding information that, if extracted, would thwart a future attack, it is your duty to put whatever pressure it takes to make them give out that information. Shame on you if you don't, and innocents are killed.

Ok, that's an interesting approach. Don't complain when it's done to American soldiers. I hope you don't get all snitty when you read about or see accounts of the Bataan Death March. After all, the Japanese were just trying to win the war. The Americans wanted the Japanese dead, right? Japanese soldiers were crushing the American will to fight.

Fortunately, though, the civilised world condemns torture, and we consider it barbaric and savage. The United States, under no circumstances, should practice or condone it, and--as I said before--any person involved in it should be sentenced to life at hard labor.

[JudyinCanada]

We're not going to agree on this one, PV, and that's fine.

Those beheadings can hardly be classed as torture.

So I can assume that if there is an Islamic militant in custody, known to have information about a major deadly attack coming up in America, or anywhere else, you would be opposed to putting any pressure on said enemy to extract information and prevent innocents from being slaughtered?

Sorry, these people (not unlike the Japanese) attacked America first. They declared war. They are the enemy. They are out to destroy civilization as we know it. War is not pretty, not for the faint of heart, but sometimes it is a necessary route that must be taken.

Torture of the enemy is part of war. I guess if you consider torture uncivilized and barbaric, you must really flip out when the enemy is actually killed. I guess we need ol' Jocelyn Elders and her "safer bullets".

[Publius Valerius]

Torture is part of war? Not according to pretty much every civilized country in the world. That's why we have things like the Geneva convention.

Hey, like I said, if you condone torture, whatver--I think it's barbaric--but just don't let me catch you pissing and moaning when it happens to Americans.

[JudyinCanada]

...just don't let me catch you pissing and moaning when it happens to Americans. If the Americans decide to attack innocent people and announce death and destruction to a nation for no reason (such as Pearl Harbour and 9/11) and are subsequently captured and tortured, you won't hear a peep out of me...promise!