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No flaw is found in Bush's state win
The Miami Herald ^ | 11-28-2004 | Meg Laughlin

Posted on 11/29/2004 6:26:48 AM PST by RepCath

Some critics have alleged that Florida's majority vote for President Bush was flawed. The Herald counted the votes in three North Florida counties and found little discrepancy.

BY MEG LAUGHLIN AND DAVID KIDWELL

mlaughlin@herald.com

LAKE BUTLER - Since George W. Bush captured Florida and the White House again, critics have fixed their sights on northern pockets of the Sunshine State and asked: How did the Republicans win so heavily in counties stocked with Democrats?

Some wondered whether Florida's tally was corrupt, with one Internet site writing: ``George W. Bush's vote tallies, especially in the key state of Florida, are so statistically stunning that they border on the unbelievable.''

Last week, The Herald went to see for itself whether Bush's steamroll through North Florida was legitimate. Picking three counties that fit the conspiracy theory profile -- staunchly Democratic by registration, whoppingly GOP by voting -- two reporters counted more than 17,000 ballots over three days.

The conclusion: No conspiracy.


TOPICS: Extended News; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: bush; bushwins; election2004; florida; florida2004; floriduh; howtostealanelection; traitorslose
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1 posted on 11/29/2004 6:26:48 AM PST by RepCath
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To: RepCath
Are we surprised?
Not me.

The lefties will have another groan-o-rama.
Harhar. This is supposed to be "building character."
Oh, is that another "harhar"?

I am SUCH a bitch witch!

2 posted on 11/29/2004 6:28:57 AM PST by starfish923
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To: RepCath; All

The liberals don't get it.

These counties (primarily in northern Florida) do have an edge in Dem voter registration.

But the Dems in these areas are not your garden-variety liberals. In many ways, they're closer to Republicans but because of the ancestral loyalty to the Democrat party, they haven't switched their registrations.

I can't believe that it took a couple of reporters going thru the ballots to figure this out.

Idiots!


3 posted on 11/29/2004 6:31:03 AM PST by MplsSteve
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To: RepCath
Olbermann soils himself.

He had no idea that the conspiracy reached as far as the editors of the Miami Herald.

4 posted on 11/29/2004 6:31:07 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: wideawake

Olbermann and the editors are very closely aligned. But the editors are smart enough not to come out screaming conspiracy - Olbermann isn't.


5 posted on 11/29/2004 6:33:46 AM PST by andyland (Terrorists are such nuisances)
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To: RepCath

The Miami Herald would find all the election fraud it could stand if it were only sent two reporters to spend three days sniffing around in the Herald's own backyard.


6 posted on 11/29/2004 6:34:04 AM PST by The Great Yazoo (Why do penumbras not emanate from the Tenth Amendment as promiscuously as they do from the First?)
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To: RepCath
Outtake from a liberal "holiday" song

We're making a wish
re-counting the votes
again and again and again and again
Dammit Dubya won Flor-
iduh!

7 posted on 11/29/2004 6:39:09 AM PST by theDentist (Proud Member of FreeRepublic 's "Pyjama-Hadeen")
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To: RepCath
This is a duplicate thread.
8 posted on 11/29/2004 6:40:18 AM PST by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary. You have the right to be wrong.)
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To: starfish923

Well, one thing is for sure...the NEXT Democratic Presidential nominee is going to be from the south!
Another apoplectic situation for the Chappaquiddick Kid,
who had high hopes of ending HIS Senate career and being appointed an ambassador to somewhere!


9 posted on 11/29/2004 6:41:11 AM PST by Grendel9
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To: Grendel9
Well, one thing is for sure...the NEXT Democratic Presidential nominee is going to be from the south! Another apoplectic situation for the Chappaquiddick Kid, who had high hopes of ending HIS Senate career and being appointed an ambassador to somewhere!

Lol.

Ambassador to BigBelly-stan

10 posted on 11/29/2004 6:52:29 AM PST by starfish923
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To: Grendel9
What Southern Democrat is electable nationally?

Bill Nelson is Florida's highest-ranking elected Democrat.

Mary Landrieu?

Kathleen Babineaux Blanco?

Robert KKK Byrd?

Jay Rockefeller?

Someone from Arkansas?

The Southern Democrat well is dry. For a century, U.S. Senators from the South were Democrats whose terms were measured in decades.

That they had to nominate a first-term U.S. Senator for vice president who couldn't even carry his own state underscores the poverty of Democats south of the Mason-Dixon line.
11 posted on 11/29/2004 7:11:09 AM PST by The Great Yazoo (Why do penumbras not emanate from the Tenth Amendment as promiscuously as they do from the First?)
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To: MplsSteve

They don't get that democrats actaully voted for Bush. Its inconcievable to them why they lost the election by 4 million votes. They are so out of touch that they don't realize it.


12 posted on 11/29/2004 7:22:13 AM PST by KC_Conspirator (I am poster #48)
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To: RepCath
The conclusion: No conspiracy.

Now there's an example of waving a red flag in front of the conspiracy buffs' bull.

13 posted on 11/29/2004 7:23:50 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (© 2004, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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To: RepCath

Somehow in Farenheit 9/11-1/2 Moore will find another headline showing exit polls with Kerry winning the 2004 election.


14 posted on 11/29/2004 7:27:57 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: The Great Yazoo

The one I worry about is Harold Ford (D-Tennessee). He's young, African-American, soft-spoken, handsome, articulate and personally likeable - scares the heck out of me! A typical liberal Dem in moderate clothing.


15 posted on 11/29/2004 7:44:38 AM PST by Inspectorette
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To: Inspectorette
How long has it been since a sitting member of the U.S. House of Representatives been elected president? The Democrats would likely be more successful with Osama Obama (D-Ill) instead.
16 posted on 11/29/2004 9:28:50 AM PST by The Great Yazoo (Why do penumbras not emanate from the Tenth Amendment as promiscuously as they do from the First?)
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To: RepCath

No flaw is found in Bush's state win

Some critics have alleged that Florida's majority vote for President Bush was flawed. The Herald counted the votes in three North Florida counties and found little discrepancy.

BY MEG LAUGHLIN AND DAVID KIDWELL

mlaughlin@herald.com


LAKE BUTLER - Since George W. Bush captured Florida and the White House again, critics have fixed their sights on northern pockets of the Sunshine State and asked: How did the Republicans win so heavily in counties stocked with Democrats?

Some wondered whether Florida's tally was corrupt, with one Internet site writing: ``George W. Bush's vote tallies, especially in the key state of Florida, are so statistically stunning that they border on the unbelievable.''

Last week, The Herald went to see for itself whether Bush's steamroll through North Florida was legitimate. Picking three counties that fit the conspiracy theory profile -- staunchly Democratic by registration, whoppingly GOP by voting -- two reporters counted more than 17,000 ballots over three days.

The conclusion: No conspiracy.

The newspaper's count of optical scan ballots in Suwannee, Lafayette and Union counties showed Bush whipping Sen. John Kerry in a swath of Florida where registered Democrats outnumber Republicans 3-1.

The newspaper found minor differences with the official results in each county, most involving a smattering of ballots that had been discarded as unreadable by optical scan machines but in which reporters felt the voter intent was clear.

Under the optical-scan system, voters fill in an oval or darken an arrow by a candidate's name on a card. A machine reads the card optically.

Wrinkles aside, The Herald count confirmed that Bush's message sold in a part of the state where many voters may be Democrats by registration only.

''They're not going to vote for a Northeast liberal,'' said Lafayette County Judge Harlow Land, director of the county canvassing board.

Kerry had solidly won the battle in South Florida, where touch-screen machines do not create a ballot paper trail that can be checked. But Bush won the war in Florida by dominating elsewhere, particularly in the 52 counties that use optical scan ballots, which can be checked for accuracy.

Republicans had often done fairly well in those counties, but this year more so. And it was on those counties that the critics focused. Democrats outnumber Republicans by about 340,000 voters in the 52 optical scan counties, but Bush took them by about 340,000 votes -- a 680,000-vote swing that assured him of winning the White House.

UNION COUNTY

The Herald focused on three counties that represented some of the more severe disparities between registrations and votes, beginning last Monday morning in Union County, where more than 75 percent of the registered voters are Democrats.

Election clerk Mary Francis Williams flipped ballots in the courtroom in Lake Butler, as reporters marked lines on pads -- counting votes for Bush, votes for Kerry and the rare votes for a third-party candidate.

As the counting went on, the daily hubbub of life breezed through. One worker's husband dropped by to say he was taking a truckload of cucumbers and collards to Jacksonville. A neighbor stopped in to tell friends about the lot size for her double-wide.

Union County Judge Dave Reimer popped in, too, saying: ``People here traditionally register as Democrats to vote in local primaries, but they're very conservative. When I came here in 1983, there were only 54 registered Republicans in the whole county.''

Election Supervisor Babs Montpetit was a little more direct. ''People here are mostly fundamentalist Christians who work in the prisons,'' she said. ``Do you think they're going to vote for the liberal senator from Massachusetts?''

The Herald total: 3,393 votes for Bush and 1,272 for Kerry. There were 15 votes that couldn't clearly be counted.

The official Union County total: 3,396 votes for Bush, 1,251 for Kerry and a few dozen that couldn't be counted.

''The difference is in the under-over votes,'' Montpetit explained. The Herald concluded voter intent in a couple of dozen cases that scan readers could not discern.

SUWANNEE COUNTY

The next stop was west a bit, past cattle and tall pines to neighboring Suwannee County. Election Supervisor Glenda Williams greeted reporters at the election office in Live Oak: ``Most people in this county are against abortion and gay marriage. So, they voted for Bush.''

Did it matter that Dick Cheney, Bush's vice president, said that same-sex marriage should be left to states to decide, a position that differs from Bush's? ''We don't think that deep,'' she replied.

Williams had just put together a packet to mail to BlackBoxVoting.org, an Internet group that has questioned the outcome of the Florida election.

''BlackBox wants office memos,'' Williams said. ''But we just talk to each other,'' she said.

Williams displayed the voting tabulation machines and demonstrated how the ballots are fed in by voters. She printed out a tape that looked like a cash register receipt to show the early vote results. It matched The Herald's count.

Halfway through Tuesday, Williams took a break so she could pick up Sassy at the dog groomer and buy a pecan pie from Cracker Barrel.

The head of the Suwannee County Chamber of Commerce, Dennis Cason, put in his two cents during the respite. ''A lot of Christians here -- independent, fundamentalist Baptists -- think that God interceded for Bush,'' he said.

The Herald counted almost 60 percent of the votes in Suwannee County, where nearly 64 percent of the voters are registered Democrats.

The newspaper's total from those precincts: 6,140 votes for Bush and 2,984 for Kerry, which nearly matched the county's official tally.

LAFAYETTE COUNTY

Next stop: Mayo in Lafayette County (pronounced ``Luh-FAY-it''), where 83 percent of the voters are registered Democrats.

Along the way were neighborhoods called ''The Christian Village'' and a warehouse called ''The Christian Outlet.'' One billboard said: ``There is life before birth.''

''This can't be déj vu, like four years ago,'' county Election Supervisor Lana Morgan said at the courthouse, where the ballots awaited.

Four years ago, the Florida vote was so tight, and so flawed, that The Herald counted every questionable ballot. This time, the results weren't as close, but the questions remained. Reporters told Morgan the newspaper had come back to hand-count presidential votes to end the speculation.

''Good,'' she said. ``You don't know how frustrating it is to convince people who are set on believing something -- even if it's not true.''

Lafayette County Judge Land paid a visit during the count. Bush made ''an honest mistake'' when he said there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, the judge said, and voters looked past that error to other issues.

The reporters' total: 2,452 votes for Bush and 848 for Kerry, with 20 that couldn't be clearly counted.

The official Lafayette County total: 2,460 votes for Bush, 845 for Kerry and others that couldn't be counted.

Morgan invited the visitors for an early Thanksgiving dinner, but the reporters had to return home, driving to the Jacksonville airport past Snoball stands, chicken farms and antiabortion billboards.


17 posted on 11/29/2004 9:39:59 AM PST by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: The Great Yazoo
How long has it been since a sitting member of the U.S. House of Representatives been elected president? The Democrats would likely be more successful with Osama Obama (D-Ill) instead.

I wouldn't be surprised if he runs for Frist's seat in '06. But with the way TN's been trending so red, maybe Ford best be switching parties if he wants to ascend the political ladder in his state.

18 posted on 11/29/2004 9:40:59 AM PST by gop_gene
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To: shield
Thanks for posting the whole article. AP published a condensed version which was run in my local paper.

The Herald article drips with arrogance and condescension.

North Floridians are probably too polite to tell the Miamians what they thought of them.
19 posted on 11/29/2004 9:51:07 AM PST by The Great Yazoo (Why do penumbras not emanate from the Tenth Amendment as promiscuously as they do from the First?)
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To: RepCath

Which election?


20 posted on 11/29/2004 10:03:42 AM PST by 11th Commandment
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