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Senate GOP set to go 'nuclear' over judges
Cox news service via the Times Argus ^ | 11/28/04 | Chuck Lindell

Posted on 11/28/2004 2:36:14 PM PST by NeoCaveman

Senate Republicans, boldly confident after their Nov. 2 electoral success, are preparing to end months of frustrating delays over President Bush's judicial picks by hitting Democrats with Republican's ultimate legislative weapon.

But the Republican threat to neuter long-cherished filibuster rules by steamrolling Democrats is risky — so potentially destructive that Capitol Hill calls it the "nuclear option." Democratic retaliation would be swift and long-lasting, raising the prospect of escalating clashes in a body that prides itself on gentility and cool judgment.

Even so, Republican leaders are signaling their intent to go nuclear in word and deed.

"We're going to use every tool we possibly can," said Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., who also unveiled a kinder, gentler phrase for the potential rules change: the "constitutional option."

"Republicans are loaded for bear, spoiling for a confrontation with Senate Democrats on judicial appointments," said Norm Ornstein, an expert on Congress for the conservative-leaning American Enterprise Institute. "For a lot of conservatives, this has really become an issue that leaves them passionate."

(Excerpt) Read more at timesargus.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: dems; filibuster; judges; judicialnominees; nuclearoption; nukular; obstructionist; scotus; zotthedems
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To: dubyaismypresident

Same threat from June, 2003.

When Frist finally DOES something besides whine and threaten, maybe he will be deserving of respect. Until Frist finally DOES something, this is just more empty threat served with more whine and cheese.


41 posted on 11/28/2004 3:14:59 PM PST by TomGuy (America: Best friend or worst enemy. Choose wisely.)
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To: ninenot
Frankly, we've heard this foofoodust before--about 4 years ago.

Well in 2000 there were 50 Republican Senators with 5 RINO's for a net 45.
In 2002 there were 51 Republican Senators with 5 RINO's for a net 46.
Now there are 55 Republican Senators with 5 RINO's and the head RINO has been castrated.
So now there is cause for some optomism.

42 posted on 11/28/2004 3:16:24 PM PST by NeoCaveman (http://route-82.blogspot.com)
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To: TomGuy
Same threat from June, 2003.

True. But the Senate math looks a lot better than it does 2 years ago.

As 55 R's is better than 51.

43 posted on 11/28/2004 3:17:33 PM PST by NeoCaveman (http://route-82.blogspot.com)
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To: dubyaismypresident

Unless a senator from the state of the chosen candidate approves, the candidate does not advance. That too must go.
Harry Reid just had a hold on many appointees, but released his hold only when his guy got appointed to the EPA so that the Nuclear Waste issue in Yucca Mt. would have an opponent.
Blackmail, the democrat way. So, it doesn't matter if your party loses, so long as appointments must have home-state senate approval.


44 posted on 11/28/2004 3:21:41 PM PST by Prost1 (If you teach what your history teachers taught you, you will be corrected...)
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To: Paleo Conservative

'bout time would be the best comment.


45 posted on 11/28/2004 3:23:36 PM PST by deaconjim (Freep the world!)
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To: Syncro

Recess appointments expire at the end of any Congressional session. So any such appointments may be useful in the short term, but they are certainly no substitute for the normal lifetime appointments that come as the result of Senate confirmation.

Regards,
LH


46 posted on 11/28/2004 3:24:17 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Dave Burns
"Mitch McConnell said it takes 67 votes to change a rule on Cal Thomas last night."

The 'nuclear' option does not involve this kind of rule change. It means that when the RATS Filibuster a Court nomination, the President of the Senate (if the Pubbies go Nuclear, Cheney would come in and act as President) would pound the gavel and declare the filibuster Unconstitutional and the Senate would move on and take a vote whereby 51 votes would win.
47 posted on 11/28/2004 3:24:35 PM PST by TRY ONE (NUKE the unborn gay whales!)
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...Democratic retaliation...

how?

48 posted on 11/28/2004 3:28:11 PM PST by clintonh8r (Get Out The Gloat!!)
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To: Dave Burns
Mitch McConnell said it takes 67 votes to change a rule on Cal Thomas last night.

Why would he say that? Obviously, if that was the case, then no "nuclear option" would exist at all and there wouldn't even be any discussion. Fortunately, it only takes 51 votes to change the rule.

49 posted on 11/28/2004 3:28:57 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: dubyaismypresident
In the words of that great American, Al Bundy: "LET'S ROCK!!!!!"
50 posted on 11/28/2004 3:31:21 PM PST by GreenHornet
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To: dubyaismypresident

Frist or one of his aides must have been reading up on this in the forum.

The phrase "nuclear option" is stupid PR. The Republicans who first used it handed a valuable propaganda tool to the enemy. Stupid. We should simply say, as Frist is saying, that the Republicans are following the constitution and that the Democrats are violating it by not letting judicial appointments come to a vote in the Senate.

It's not a euphemism, it's the truth.


51 posted on 11/28/2004 3:32:00 PM PST by Cicero (Nil illegitemus carborundum est)
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To: TRY ONE

Big Dick screwing the RAT senators would be too delicious....I hope it happens before Rather retires so he has to report it. Doubly delicious...


52 posted on 11/28/2004 3:33:43 PM PST by clintonh8r (Get Out The Gloat!!)
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To: Syncro
If they use every tool they possibly can, President Bush needs to do some appointments during the Congressional Break period. Clinton set the precedent for that. We need to do it too to save time and energy.

He did it with Pickering, and Pickering's term is already just about over.

53 posted on 11/28/2004 3:33:57 PM PST by alnick
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To: dubyaismypresident; Dave Burns; AndrewC
Thanks for the link, first time I have looked over there.

Mitch McConnell said it takes 67 votes to change a rule on Cal Thomas last night.

And they don't understand the difference between a rule and the Constitution.

Actually I found on their site that they do know the difference. From a post over there:


54 posted on 11/28/2004 3:35:31 PM PST by Syncro
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To: Lancey Howard; alnick
Thanks.

You too, alnick.

That makes sense then to make the Dems let the nominations go through in spite of their crying and whining.
55 posted on 11/28/2004 3:38:11 PM PST by Syncro
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To: TASMANIANRED

His head may be partially filled with sawdust, but I am almost certain that the sawdust was first used on the floors of animal exibits at some state fair.


56 posted on 11/28/2004 3:44:00 PM PST by F.J. Mitchell (If you were still in the womb, would you trust your life to Specter?????)
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To: dubyaismypresident
As 55 R's is better than 51.

Not when 4 are RINOs. Snowe, Chaffee, McCain, Spector, who now control judiciary.

57 posted on 11/28/2004 3:45:12 PM PST by Bommer
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To: dubyaismypresident
raising the prospect of escalating clashes in a body that prides itself on gentility and cool judgment.

What body would that be?

Certainly not the US Senate.

Not with the likes of soon-to-be-ex Sen "Lil" Tommy Dashole blocking anything and everything. Not with the 'Rats screaming about changing the rules on committee memebership ratios.

They need to give the 'Rats ONE chance on the first nomination.

Then slice 'em and dice 'em.

LVM

58 posted on 11/28/2004 3:48:06 PM PST by LasVegasMac (If it ain't smoked, it ain't worth puttin' on the table!)
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To: Petronski

My sentiments exactly. I won't believe it until they do it.


59 posted on 11/28/2004 3:48:24 PM PST by smokeyb
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To: Bommer

Hmmmm. You seem to have forgotten RINOs Collins, DeWine, and Voinovich...and I may have forgotten a couple, too.


60 posted on 11/28/2004 3:49:45 PM PST by SAJ
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