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Soros Waging Financial War on U.S.?
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Posted on 11/28/2004 5:30:54 AM PST by shubi

Time magazine has characterized financier George Soros as a "modern-day Robin Hood," who robs from the rich to give to the poor countries of eastern Europe and Russia. It claimed that Soros makes huge financial gains by speculating against western central banks, in order to use his profits to help the emerging post-communist economies of eastern Europe and former Soviet Union, to assist them to create what he calls an "Open Society." The Time statement is entirely accurate in the first part, and entirely inaccurate in the second. He robs from rich western countries, and uses his profits to rob even more savagely from the East, under the cloak of "philanthropy." His goal is to loot wherever and however he can. Soros has been called the master manipulator of "hit-and-run capitalism."

As we shall see, what Soros means by "open," is a society that allows him and his financial predator friends to loot the resources and precious assets of former Warsaw Pact economies. By bringing people like Jeffrey Sachs or Sweden's Anders Aslund and their economic shock therapy into these economies, Soros lays the groundwork for buying up the assets of whole regions of the world at dirt-cheap prices.

The man who broke the Bank of England?

An examination of Soros's secretive financial network is vital to understand the true dimension of the "Soros problem" in eastern Europe and other nations.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: conspiracy; currency; financial; kerrydefeat; manipulation; opensociety; soros
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To: ALPAPilot
I agree with Dr. Sowell's solutions to the problem: encourage business, cut government spending, and tax reform. My favorite spending cuts would start with abolishing the Department of Education and the recent drug "benefit." Tax reform: I like the idea of taxing consumption rather than income (but I have to admit that the FairTax isn't my ideal tax mostly for technical reasons that I could live with if it wholly replaced the income tax.)

But I don't agree with his characterization of the problem. It is more serious than Dr. Sowell's characterization. We are running a pair of large deficits -- and neither would be a big problem if they were just temporary blips.

But the problem is that they are the continuation of 40 years of red ink, that turned us from the world's greatest creditor nation to the world's biggest debtor, paying increasing portions of our annual income for interest payments.

Even that would not be so bad if we were using the debt to buy productive assets. That could even be beneficial; if the production from the assets is enough to cover the interest and the asset is at least holding its value, then I have no problem with us buying it. But we haven't done that: we have created instead entitlements that will be increasingly burdensome as the baby boomers retire.

Even worse, we are out borrowing the money from foreign countries. That's really the way to get yourself into trouble. If our economy was big enough to absorb paying all of the interest and creating the new debt, then while it goes against my conservative instincts, the debt would be acceptable. But we are out borrowing from the lenders of last resort, the central banks of foreign nations. The reason that they are lending is not to give a helping hand, but in their own self-interest, to keep the dollar strong so that their export programs stay strong.

We could at least cut our interest expenses by disintermediating the foreign central banks by borrowing in the local currencies where possible. We could be getting yen a lot cheaper directly from the Japanese public.

But far better would be to take a whacking big axe to the budget. We have the congress with good majorities and we have the presidency -- let's do ourselves and our posterity a big favor and trim the fat from government.

61 posted on 11/28/2004 8:23:00 AM PST by snowsislander
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To: shubi

"A 1% or less transaction tax on investment transactions would be far better than the horrors of the current system."





A 1% tax each time I bought and sold a stock?? When I'm trying desparately to make 10% a year?!?!?

You'd have to structure it to exempt investment transactions. Period. Absolute DOA non-starter otherwise. Capital flow would STOP, and other countries would fly right past us economically.


62 posted on 11/28/2004 9:16:50 AM PST by Eccl 10:2 (Pray, pray, pray that we as a people are deserving of godly leaders.)
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To: Eccl 10:2

If 1% or less would stop you from making an investment, perhaps that would save you a lot of losses. ;-)

Wouldn't you pay a little bit to get rid of IRS?


63 posted on 11/28/2004 9:18:14 AM PST by shubi (Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom,must undergo the fatigues of supporting it.)
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To: shubi
Wouldn't you pay a little bit to get rid of IRS?

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In this instance, no. As an example, let's say I have $100,000 in my IRA, invested in a stock. Under this proposal, I would pay $10.99 to Ameritrade to trade the stock, and $1000 to Uncle Sam.

Let's get real. I wouldn't want to pay even $100, or $10, or $1 to Uncle Sam to trade. It then amounts to a wealth tax, not a sales tax.

Unconscionable. Unthinkable. I would move to Canada or Mexico or France first. And so would a LOT of other investors.

Don't take it personally, but that idea REALLY needs to be re-examined.

64 posted on 11/28/2004 9:28:01 AM PST by Eccl 10:2 (Pray, pray, pray that we as a people are deserving of godly leaders.)
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To: hchutch
Between Soros and Putin, I'd prefer Putin.

Are you so anti-Soros that you are willing to overlook the massive fraud committed in the election?

65 posted on 11/28/2004 9:30:44 AM PST by jmc813 (J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS)
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To: Eccl 10:2

Perhaps you are right, the transaction tax would be better for transport etc. But sales tax would work just fine on sales of stock, so the transaction tax would not be necessary. I envision the transaction tax picking up anything the sales tax doesn't catch.


66 posted on 11/28/2004 10:00:09 AM PST by shubi (Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom,must undergo the fatigues of supporting it.)
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To: Ginifer

"Soros associates with anyone/anything that he thinks can/will enable him to gain leverage and "sell" his ideas."

We all agree that Mr. Soros is not a nice man. From a psychological viewpoint he comes across as a megalomaniac who thrives on the fawning adulation of those whose souls he's bought. So now he hobnobs with the clinton trash and gets his picture on the cover of Rolling Stone. So he engineers a coup in some remote corner of the XSSR, and throws millions at the defeat of President Bush.

It's important to follow the money...how much, for example, did Soros donate to the clinton library? I heard that because it is a foundation, clinton will be able to spend that money any way he wants to, no strings attached, a scarey thought.

But what is George Soros really after? Is he simply an eccentric billionaire amusing himself by dabbling in radical causes--which is bad enough, or is he joining forces with other left wing king makers to accomplish a unified objective, one as potentially dangerous as all his billions can bring?


67 posted on 11/28/2004 10:01:48 AM PST by cloud8
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To: jmc813

Soros is pulling off his "Velvet Revolution" tactics in the Ukraine - just as he has done in Georgia and Yugoslavia. Is YOUR dislike for Putin so strong that you will let George Soros perfect his techniques for use here at some point?


68 posted on 11/28/2004 12:26:05 PM PST by hchutch (A pro-artificial turf, pro-designated hitter baseball fan.)
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To: hchutch

You never answered my quesion. Which is more important, maintaining the sanctity of valid elections or defeating Soros? I've gotta go with the former.


69 posted on 11/28/2004 7:10:36 PM PST by jmc813 (J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS)
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To: shubi
Soros does not have enough money to bring down the economy of Guatemala.
70 posted on 11/28/2004 7:14:18 PM PST by pete anderson
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To: pete anderson

Sounds like a little ostrich head in the sand type of thinking to me. Soros must be monitored by the FBI.


71 posted on 11/29/2004 4:25:33 AM PST by shubi (Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom,must undergo the fatigues of supporting it.)
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To: jakkknife
"Porter Goss has the resources. A tap on the shoulder and a warning should send Soros looking for a new game to play."

Nah. INS is better. Soros could be easilly stripped of U.S. citizenship because he belonged to Nazi organisation in Hungary during WWII. Arow Cross was responsible for death of hundreds of thousands of Hungarian Jews.

72 posted on 11/29/2004 7:07:30 AM PST by DTA (proud pajamista)
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To: shubi

bttp


73 posted on 11/29/2004 1:13:49 PM PST by ehoxha
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To: ehoxha

"bttp"

I am pretty new. What does this mean?
Or is it a Bronx cheer? ;-)


74 posted on 11/29/2004 3:19:35 PM PST by shubi (Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom,must undergo the fatigues of supporting it.)
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To: shubi

bring to the top


75 posted on 11/30/2004 5:36:08 AM PST by ehoxha
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To: shubi

Judging by the most recent Presidential election, it sounds like Soros robs from the rich, then uses the money to try to manipulate elections.


76 posted on 11/30/2004 5:38:15 AM PST by SuziQ (W STILL the President)
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To: SuziQ

Soros should be arrested and charged with sedition.


77 posted on 11/30/2004 5:40:47 AM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: shubi

George Soros - economic terrorist?


78 posted on 11/30/2004 5:46:44 AM PST by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, DemocRATs believe every day is April 15th. - Reagan)
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To: OrioleFan

Osama Bin Laden's strategy is to bankrupt the U.S. Soros could be one of his operatives.


79 posted on 11/30/2004 5:53:03 AM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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