Posted on 11/28/2004 12:21:56 AM PST by JohnHuang2
Sunday, November 28, 2004
If administrators of Kentucky's Boyd County school district can't find a way to force all students to attend sexual orientation and gender identity "tolerance training," the American Civil Liberties Union is threatening to take them to court – again.
Ten months ago, the district settled a lawsuit with the ACLU over the right of a student group, the Gay-Straight Alliance, to meet on campus. The year-long litigation strained relations in the conservative northeast portion of the state. In addition to allowing the group to meet on campus after school, district officials agreed that all students, staff and teachers would be required to receive "tolerance training."
The agreement stipulated all would attend "mandatory anti-harassment workshops," including the viewing of an hour-long "training" video covering sexual orientation and gender identity issues for middle and high school students.
But ten months on, one-third of Boyd County students have failed to see the video, and that has the ACLU threatening court action.
"It sounds like the training can't possibly be done," James Esseks, litigation director for the ACLU's Lesbian and Gay Rights Project, tells the Louisville Courier-Journal.
District figures show 105 of 730 middle school students opted out of the training video and 145 of 971 high school students did likewise. On the day scheduled for training, 324 students didn't show up for school.
The current legal snag arises from the fact the original consent decree had no provision for parents exempting their children.
"The schools have great latitude in what they want to teach, including what's in training programs, and the training is now part of the school curriculum," Esseks says. "Parents don't get to say I don't want you to teach evolution or this, that or whatever else. If parents don't like it they can homeschool, they can go to a private school, they can go to a religious school."
"Where are the parental rights in this whole thing?" asks Rev. Tim York, president of the Boyd County Ministerial Alliance and head of Defenders Voice, a community group formed to contest the decree.
According to the group's website, Defenders Voice "incorporated due to the need for protection of both the physical and mental health of our students and citizens." Its members place blame for their current distress squarely on the ACLU:
"We have seen an onslaught of aggressive homosexual activism sweep across our country. In many cases, these activists are supported by the ACLU in their attempts. ... Defenders Voice believes that an organization like the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) should not be allowed to tell parents what their children must learn."
The Alliance Defense Fund, a religious-liberties public-interest legal group, has signed on to help Defenders Voice, pledging to sue the school district unless it adopts an opt-out policy for parents this week. Alliance was formed in 1993 with the guidance of several well-known Christian conservatives, including the late Dr. Bill Bright, the late Larry Burkett, Dr. James Dobson, Dr. D. James Kennedy, and the late Marlin Maddoux.
Joe Platt, a Cincinnati attorney representing Alliance, says mandatory training on tolerance for homosexuals violates the right of conscience of parents and students who believe such behavior immoral.
But school district attorney, Winter Huff, insists to the Courier-Journal the decree does not violate parental rights: "Students certainly have the right to believe in what they want to believe, but they don't have the right to act out in inappropriate ways. The point is you don't treat people disrespectfully, you don't pick on people, you don't bully them, you don't make them afraid to come to school."
Meanwhile, only one of the seven plaintiffs in the 2003 lawsuit still remain in school. Six have graduated, and the teacher-adviser for the Gay-Straight Alliance club asked to transfer to another campus.
The ACLU's Esseks is now questioning whether the mandatory video meets the decree's required hour of anti-harassment training. Like one-third of the students in Boyd County schools, he has yet to view it.
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-my question: Where is all this systemic and or inherent violence?
The claim of wide spread violence against 'homosexual' students in public schools is a bald faced lie that has been propagated by Kevin Jennings' organization GLSEN. See the following:
An excerpt from "The Danger of 'Safe Schools'"
Documentation showing that the "saftey in the schools" issue is a ruse by GLSEN and other homosexual organizations. ( It all started with bogus statistics on "gay" youth suicide ).
An excerpt from "A Captive Audience"
See also the following replies in Scripter's Homosexual Agenda: Categorical Index of Links (Revision 1.1) thread: 126, 141, 142, 147, 152, 155, 161, 162, 167, 168, 173, 174, 179, 208, 238, 253, and 256.
Esseks says. "Parents don't get to say I don't want you to teach evolution or this, that or whatever else. If parents don't like it they can homeschool, they can go to a private school, they can go to a religious school."
WONDERFUL!
WHEN are the VOUCHER CHECKS to be cut?
After all if kids are homsechooled or private schooled then WHY should they pay for something they aren't attending - public school ?
Hi. It is my understanding that your tax dollars help FUND the ACLU.
So, theoretically, if somebody wins a lawsuit against the ACLU, it would ultimately be you who pays.
They claim to have 400,000 members. In addition to those contributions, they also get money from unions, corporations and foundations. They are "non-profit," so they also get breaks from the government. Somehow, they manage to finance roughly 6,000 legal actions per year and a permanent DC lobby.
See reply 185 in this thread. We need to support those organizations.
NEVER FORGET, THESE SCUM ARE VULNERABLE!! But they will continue spreading their disease until YOU get off your duff and bring them down. They are cockroaches that can't stand the light of day on their activities. Make yourself that light! This isn't a full-time occupation, it can be done as a hobby, with only a few hours per week of your time invested. Team up with other FReepers in your area to share the work load and fun.
Don't wait until the ACLU brings a major issue (like the thread article) to your city, join...err...infiltrate the ACLU today! Be ready to strike.
Excellent suggestion. I am going to do this. Thanks for posting this information!
Ping
BTTT!
Sounds like we need sleepers within the ACLU. If I do the "infiltrating", I guess I'll have to learn to drink wine...but I ain't getting high on drugs or naked for anyone!
This is not just a "gay" student group. These Gay/Straight aliances are sponsored by GLSEN which is dedicated to indoctrinating and recruiting children.
They are usually formed "spontaneously" by students at the behest of a homosexual teacher in the schools.
For a look at the materials promoted by GLSEN's gay/straight clubs see.
http://www.forthechildreninc.com/issues/homosexuality/TheAgenda/MAsituation.html
The specific audio file about these fake "student clubs" is in the audio file: http://www.forthechildreninc.com/recordings/maconf02.ram
You said:
"if the school had just allowed the gay students' group to meet (as is their Constitutional right)..."
There is no Constitutional right for a group of students bound together solely by their sexual dysfunction to have a school sponsored or authorized meeting.
Sexual perversion or dysfunction is not Constutionally protected.
If pro-gay clubs can be banned, why can't anti-gay clubs be banned? Shouldn't Christian organizations that teach "homosexuality == sin" fall under the same regulatory scheme? They could just as easily be banned, if you got your way.
Unless "your way" is "my interpretation of the Bible is law," in which case, you're an enemy of the Constitution...
Yes, I've done it. Unfortunately, this was long before the birth of FReeperdom or even the internet, so what I was able to uncover is of little value today, except for the knowledge of how to do it.
In regards to whether you need to lie to be successful, it would be more correct to state that you need to establish a "legend" and stick to it. For instance, in the fairy tales of Hans Christian Anderson, Anderson was not a "liar", he just told really great stories. You would have to learn to do the same. If you are unable to lie (and there certainly is no stigma attached to that!), it just means that you should find a different role in the affair. Learn to do the library, internet and newspaper research or construct the website to distribute the info, etc., and have a friend on the inside gather the info.
Good luck.
--Boot Hill
Sexual perversion or dysfunction is not Constutionally protected.
Wrong there.
Political rights, even for despised political minorities, are recognized.
The first amendment is a bitch, huh? I mean, you don't get a monopoly on opnion; your ideas have to stand against others. It's tough, I know, but that's life. In America, at least.
anti-homosexuality clubs ARE banned.
There is a case which allowed groups to be formed as long as there was no adult involvement. It was the christain group/student prayer clubs cases. The homosexual lifted that idea to create this as a fake spontaneous group.
This is not about student rights but rather the Right of a recreational sex group like GLSEN to franchise into the public schools.
I find zero need to refer to any religion or religious view to keep clubs based on recreational sex outside of the schools. In fact in these cases it is counterproductive to "go religious".
It should be further noted that schools do not have the same first amendment rights as adults outside of the school environment. This has been loooooong established in various first amendment cases.
There is a veritable tsunami of evidence that this country was founded on the moral absolutes as taught in the Bible, (and every other theist religion in the world) and here is a quote from Blackstone - the father of our legal system - proving my point:
"Man, considered as a creature, must necessarily be subject to the laws of his Creator, for he is entirely a dependent being....And, consequently, as man depends absolutely upon his Maker for everything, it is necessary that he should in all points conform to his Maker's will...this will of his Maker is called the law of nature. These laws laid down by God are the eternal immutable laws of good and evil...This law of nature dictated by God himself, is of course superior in obligation to any other. It is binding over all the globe, in all countries, and at all times: no human laws are of any validity if contrary to this... Sir William Blackstone
If "gay" clubs are allowed, there is absolutely nothing to stop (in the future, as we slide down the slope) NAMBLA clubs, sheep lovers clubs, and on and on. That's what many of you seem not to understand, as we squander the rest of the moral credit left to us by previous generations.
You may say, well, "gay" is ok, but necrophilia is not. Why? There are closet necrophiliacs right now, figuring out how to go mainstream. You doubt it? Schwarzenegger just sponsored or signed a law against the practice, and there were people who opposed it! A number of years ago on community access TV in Portland, OR, a guy made films of people actually having sex with corpses (for real) and it was on cable, community access. It took a while before the authorities finally decided that there was something that was not worthy of free speech protection.
So if you reject moral absolutes, you have nothing but waning tradition stopping all manner of vileness becoming the norm, and there is nothing you can say to prevent it, if your only guide is your own feelings.
Evidence please? (case citations or newspaper articles would suffice here)
With all due respect (seriously) for your otherwise well intentioned study material, those who can, do, while those who can't, study. The suggested infiltration is more a matter of personal skills and initiative, you either have them or you don't. This is a time for action not study.
Just go do it!
--Boot Hill
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