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US Dollar has sunk to record lows against Euro
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Posted on 11/27/2004 10:24:13 AM PST by soccer_linux_mozilla

The United States’ trade deficit is soaring and the once high-flying dollar has sunk to record lows against Europe’s common currency.

The dollar’s record low against the euro coincided with the government’s report that the United States was running a trade deficit through September at annual rate of 592 billion dollars. That compares with last year’s record 496 dollars billion. As a result, the country is having to borrow almost 600 billion dollars from overseas this year to pay for the imported cars, televisions and other items Americans are buying.



TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: currency; deficit; dollar; euro; federalreserve; trade; tradedeficit
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To: jpsb

Me! Me! Oooo, I know the answer to that one! Call on me!

He's going to blame whoever is president at the time and people who don't look like him.


101 posted on 11/27/2004 2:55:34 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: sphinx
Trade flows and currency values are supposed to self-adjust over time.

That is absolutely correct. I've always thought so myself.

Unfortunately for me, it was only recently that I realized that by the time the correction takes place and America starts needing engineers again, I will be long dead.

102 posted on 11/27/2004 2:58:03 PM PST by snopercod (Inflation, it's how wars are paid for.)
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To: nanak
"When all is said and done, we will begin the painful process of re-building our great country. "

That is how I see it too. The polictal ruling elites have bank rupted all of us, transfered our ability to make a living to communist China, India and Mexico. The super rich will have a field day buying what is left of America for pennies on the dollar once the middle class is broken. Then we will have to try to rebuild the country all over again.

103 posted on 11/27/2004 2:59:40 PM PST by jpsb (Ex)
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To: soccer_linux_mozilla
US versus EU-15 (2003 final):

GDP: $11.0T vs $9.6T
GDP growth: 3.1% vs 0.9%
Debt% of GDP: 62.4% vs 69.1%

Given these fundamentals, someone really needs to explain to me how our deficit is catastrophic and the EU's is not. The EU is not only in deeper debt as a function of income, they also are growing their income slower. So who is the bigger credit risk?

The real disaster for the EU is that what is left of their economy is hanging by the thread of their positive export/import balance. If that trade balance surplus disappears, they are in a world of hurt. A cheap US dollar could sever that thread with a quickness, as Europe produces relatively little that is not easily fungible.

A weak dollar is not great for the US, but when the EU is crying "disaster!" it is in reference to the impact that will have on their economies far more than ours.

104 posted on 11/27/2004 3:00:44 PM PST by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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To: rdb3
Bush already assumes that his re-election signifies that people are happy with his big-government solution to every problem. (Political capital...blahblahblah...)

Personally, I think he takes his re-election as a mandate to give us even more of the same out-of-control spending and out-of-control government that has been the hallmark of his first term.

If you know anything about economics, then you know that both of those things are inimical to productivity.

The rest of the world seems to agree with my assessment as evidenced by the value of the dollar on world markets.

105 posted on 11/27/2004 3:07:18 PM PST by snopercod (Bigger government means clinton won. Less freedom means Osama won. Get it?)
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To: soccer_linux_mozilla

Wanniski
Nov 26 2004



Memo on the Margin


SSU Fall Lesson #12 The Weakening Dollar

Memo To: SSU Students, website fans, browsers and clients
From: Jude Wanniski
Re: The Keynesian Case for devaluation

[Today's SSU Lesson is also being posted as a "Memo on the Margin."]

The hot topic in global financial centers is the steady decline in the value of the U.S. dollar, which has fallen to a record low against the euro and is not far from reaching record lows against the Japanese yen. For today’s supply-side lesson, I’ve decided to examine the arguments of a well-known Keynesian demand-side economist, Stephen S. Roach of Morgan Stanley, as they appeared on the op-ed page of today’s New York Times. His op-ed is titled, “When Weakness is a Strength.” My comments are in boldface:

By Stephen S. Roach

Suddenly all eyes are on a weakening dollar. In recent days, the American currency has fallen against the euro, the yen and most other currencies around the world. The renminbi is a notable exception; China has kept its currency firmly pegged to the dollar for a decade.

I would say the dollar has fallen against gold, which traded as low as $380 oz earlier this year and now trades above $450 oz. Because other countries manage their currencies differently than the Federal Reserve, the price of gold in their currencies has not declined over this period. So we see the relative changes in the value of paper currencies and it is clear the dollar is weakening in purchasing power relative to the other currencies… except, of course, the Chinese renminbi (and the Hong Kong dollar, which is also pegged to the dollar and/or the renminbi).

The fall of the dollar is not a surprise. It is the logical outgrowth of an unbalanced world economy, and America's gaping current account deficit - the difference between foreign trade and investment in the United States and American trade and investment abroad - is just the most visible manifestation of these imbalances. The deficit ran at a record annual rate of $665 billion, or 5.7 percent of gross domestic product, in the second quarter of 2004.

Roach simply asserts the dollar’s fall is not a surprise and also asserts that its weakness is the result of the U.S. trade deficit with the rest of the world (ROW). There is, though, no correlation between a country’s trade account and the relative strength of its currency. For the entire 19th century up to World War I, the U.S. ran a trade deficit with the ROW in almost every single year and yet the US dollar/gold price was constant at $20.67 oz – except for the Civil War period when the government “floated” the dollar. When the U.S. left gold in 1971, one reason was the theory that the Japanese yen was undervalued at 360 to the $, and that a devaluation of the dollar relative to the yen would cause the U.S. trade deficit to be brought back into balance while Japan’s trade surplus would decline. The experience has been the opposite. The yen has appreciated ever since to 102 to the $ and its trade surplus is higher than ever.


While a decline in the dollar is not a cure-all for what ails the world, it should go a long way toward bringing about a sorely needed rebalancing. With a weaker dollar, economic and even political tensions among nations would be relieved, helping to promote more sustainable growth in the global economy.

A dollar that is losing its value against gold is “inflating,”causing damage to the U.S. economy in several ways that cannot possibly be of benefit to the global economy. Because it takes months and years for the general price level to catch up with the dollar/gold price, if gold remains where it is now the inflation will be so palpable in six months that the work force will be demanding higher wages, the effective capital gains tax will rise – discouraging new capital investment, and long-term interest rates will rise – forcing the Treasury to finance new debt and refinance the existing $7.5 trillion national debt at greater cost in debt service.

Still, a debate persists as to the wisdom of allowing the dollar to decline. The Bush administration seems to have given its tacit assent, and Alan Greenspan, chairman of the Federal Reserve, is finally on board.

This seems to be the case, with Greenspan now saying the trade deficit is the root cause of the problem. I have been saying that Greenspan’s policy of raising interest rates to cure a prospective inflation has had the opposite effect, causing a decline in the demand for dollars relative to the Fed’s increasing supply of dollars. Instead of acknowledging the error on his part, Greenspan finds it easier to blame trade flows for the inflation when earlier this year he correctly dismissed the trade imbalance as a reason for concern.

But outside the United States, where policymakers have long been vocal in their displeasure over America's deficits, officials are now objecting to America's cure. Europeans have referred to the dollar's recent decline as brutal. The Japanese have threatened to intervene again in foreign exchange markets. And Chinese officials have argued that global imbalances are "made in America."

Before all prices and wages in the U.S. adjust to the higher gold price, there will be painful, “brutal” losses to foreign exporters and domestic importers and temporary gains to domestic exporters and foreign importers. There are only net losses to the world economy, though, and no net change to the trade accounts. Roach’s theory, the same that persuaded Nixon in 1971 to leave gold, is that a cheaper dollar will cause foreigners to buy more U.S. goods and Americans to buy fewer foreign goods. The very idea is perverse, that we can somehow “solve” a domestic problem by changing the terms of trade to favor the ROW. In other words, if it takes 5 bottles of U.S. wine to trade for 10 loaves of Japanese bread, we will somehow be better off if we persuade our trading partner to take 7 bottles and only send us 8 loaves. What a deal!!

In this blame game, it's always the other guy. Yet global imbalances are a shared responsibility. America is guilty of excess consumption, whereas the rest of the world suffers from insufficient consumption. Consumer demand in the United States grew at an average of 3.9 percent (in real terms) from 1995 to 2003, nearly double the 2.2 percent average elsewhere in the industrial world.

America is guilty of excess consumption? This is what is being taught demand-side economists like Roach in American universities. The reason the U.S. has been consuming more than the rest of the world since 1995 is largely due to the supply-side tax policies enacted in that period, atop the Reagan tax cuts of the 1980s. The U.S. now has the most favorable tax structure of the major economies regarding capital formation, which means the ROW has been eager to send us more of their goods than they buy from us so they can use the difference to buy our financial assets, stocks and bonds.

Meanwhile, Americans fail to save enough - whereas the rest of the world saves too much. American consumers have borrowed against the future by squandering their savings. The personal savings rate was just 0.2 percent of disposable personal income in September - down from 7.7 percent as recently as 1992. Moreover, large federal budget deficits mean the government's savings rate is negative.

Roach fails to point out that the supply-side revolution has brought with it an enormous increase in the value of financial assets and real property held by American households. This means the real value of past savings has soared, obviating the need to save more out of current income. Such capital gains are not counted in the “savings” statistics, but it should be obvious that if I need XXX to meet current obligations and have XXX in after-tax income, I can spend it all and save nothing if the value of my stock portfolio and home has risen by XX. In the last dozen years, the aggregate wealth of U.S. households has risen by tens of trillions of dollars, but has not been counted in the savings rate.

Lacking in domestic savings, the United States must import foreign savings to finance the growth of its economy. And it runs huge current account and trade deficits to attract such capital from overseas.

The U.S. must import foreign savings to finance the growth of its economy??? It is more accurate to say the ROW is eager to accept U.S. financial assets because they are throwing off higher rates of return than assets they find at home.

America's consumption binge has its mirror image in excess savings elsewhere in the world - especially in Asia and Europe. For now, America draws freely on this reservoir, absorbing about 80 percent of the world's surplus savings. Just as the United States has moved production and labor offshore in recent years, it is now outsourcing its savings.

This is more nonsense flowing from the same failure to count capital gains as part of “savings,” here or in the ROW. By Roach’s reckoning, the total saving of the ROW would be roughly $800 billion, of which we grab $655 billion. Just add in the total increase in wealth in China, India and Russia in the past year and you can see ordinary savings plus capital gains in financial assets plus real estate easily eclipsed $5 trillion just in those three countries. They can’t spend it fast enough at home, so they invest it in the biggest open market in the world, the USA’s.

This is a dangerous arrangement. The day could come when foreign investors demand better terms for financing America's spending spree (and savings shortfall). That is the day the dollar will collapse, interest rates will soar and the stock market will plunge. In such a crisis, a United States recession would be a near certainty. And the rest of an America-centric world would be quick to follow.

The bogeyman will get you!! Foreign investors will demand better terms some day and if they don’t get them, ugly things will happen to us.

The only way to avoid this unhappy future is for the world's major central banks to carefully manage a gradual but significant depreciation of the dollar over the next several years. America, and the world, would gain in several ways.

In other words, Morgan Stanley’s chief economist, Stephen Roach, is telling the readers of today’s New York Times that if the U.S. has a “significant depreciation of the dollar,” i.e., a significant inflation, foreigners will be more eager to buy U.S. stocks and bonds.

First, there would be a gradual rise in interest rates in the United States - compensating foreign investors for financing the biggest debtor in the world. That would suppress growth in those sectors of the American economy that are most sensitive to interest rates, like housing, consumer durables like cars and appliances, and business capital spending. The result: a higher domestic savings rate and a reduced need for foreign capital - a classic current-account adjustment.

This is absolutely correct!! Roach at least understands that if we follow his advice, the U.S. economy will implode. People will become relatively poorer and will not be able to buy cars or appliances (or homes) or capital goods. Scared to death and seeing the value of their wealth nosedive, they will tighten their belts and save more of their current income. This is “a classic current-account adjustment” in a demand model, what they are teaching these days at Harvard, Yale and M.I.T. The cure for prosperity is poverty!!!

Second, when the dollar falls, other currencies rise. So far, the euro has borne a disproportionate share of the change. That puts increased pressure on Asian nations - including China - to share in the adjustment by allowing their currencies to strengthen. Most currencies in Asia are now rising, but the renminbi has remained conspicuously unmoved.

This is not true relative to gold. If the dollar falls against gold and other currencies, other currencies that are stable relative to gold are not rising at all. They are not inflating and we are. Roach is correct in again noting China’s link to the dollar. If I were China and saw what the demand-siders and Alan Greenspan have in mind, I would most certainly break the dollar/renminbi link and link the renminbi to gold or even to the euro.

Third, as the currencies of Asia and Europe strengthen, their exports will become less attractive to American consumers. This will force Asia and Europe to work to stimulate domestic demand to compensate - resulting in a reduction of both excess savings and current-account surpluses. This is easier said than done, especially since it may require painful structural reforms, like a loosening of domestic labor markets, to unshackle internal demand.

Just a few paragraphs after telling us how great a dollar devaluation will be for the rest of the world, Roach tells of necessary painful structural changes “easier said than is done” in Asian and European labor markets.

Fourth, a weaker dollar might defuse global trade tensions. Dollar depreciation will support American exports, and higher interest rates should slow domestic demand and reduce imports. That means the United States trade deficit should narrow - tempering protectionist risks. And with Asian countries allowing their currencies to fluctuate, Europe gets some relief and may be less tempted to resort to protectionist remedies.

This is the Rosy Scenario that was presented to President Nixon in 1971 when he took the U.S. off the Bretton Woods gold standard. He said: “We are all Keynesians now!” Inflation took off, the stock market collapsed, and with no reason to support him, the American people applauded as he was impeached and resigned in disgrace over a third-rate Watergate burglary.

What's certain is that a lopsided world needs to be put back into balance. The dollar is the world's most widely used currency, but its fall affects more than just foreign-exchange rates. A weakening dollar is an encouraging sign that the world's relative price structure - essentially the value of one economy versus another - is becoming more sensible. If the world can manage the dollar's decline wisely, there is more reason for hope than despair.

Sorry Mr. Roach. When it comes to money, weakness is weakness. The correct antidote to the falling, inflating dollar is an open admission by Alan Greenspan that he has been riding a sick moose in the wrong direction, and that we need only forget about raising interest rates and refix the dollar to gold at a reasonable rate. How about $400 oz? Between you and me, Morgan Stanley, Greenspan would love to see gold back at $400. If he said so publicly, the market would take it there lickety-split, and just stand back and watch the dollar muscle its way back into the hearts of euro and yen traders. In strength, there is strength.

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106 posted on 11/27/2004 3:10:25 PM PST by mjp
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To: Southack
If the Dollar crashes, your U.S. Dollar might buy as few as 1 Chinese Yuan.

Not until the Chinese let the yuan float. Which of course they eventually will have to. In the meantime, their currency dives with ours so their imports from the rest of the world become more and more relatively expensive and they will go from being more or less in trade balance into deficit. In effect, they will have to borrow to subsidize my consumption. I find that rather funny.

107 posted on 11/27/2004 3:12:52 PM PST by edsheppa
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To: jpsb
"Now what happens to the average joe six pack when his dollars are devalued? Whom to do think average joe six pack is going to blame when his standard of living drops to third world level?"

Your standard of living doesn't track your currency valuation. Your whole economic premise is more flawed than a liberal trying to explain church to an athiest.

For instance, the Dollar has been declining in value since 1930. If our standard of living tracked the decline of the Dollar, then we'd have fewer air conditioners, fewer cars, fewer TV's, fewer telephones, and less food than Americans had in soup lines during the Great Depression when our Dollar was at or near its peak high.

Clearly that's not the case. So a further decline in the foreign purchasing power of the Dollar is not to be feared, but rather, embraced.

The more that the Dollar falls, the more expensive foreign imports become...so Americans buy less of those foreign imports and more of American goods.

...And selling more American goods won't lower our standard of living (but you did give me a good chuckle at that claim).

108 posted on 11/27/2004 3:32:21 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: soccer_linux_mozilla

ping


109 posted on 11/27/2004 3:32:29 PM PST by investigateworld (( "Bob, I bled from every wound", J. Kerry to R. Dole ...Now on my 5th day of not bashing Wal-mart)
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To: Southack
It's only to *foreigners* that the Dollar's value fluctuates, and even then it only fluctuates for remuneration back to your foreign nation...your intra-U.S. trade still gets full value.

Well, that can't be true. It could only be true if we didn't depend on foreign imports, like energy, clothes, and appliances. Therefore, the sinking dollar WILL fluctuate within the borders; it will buy much less of those essential foreign produced goods.

If you have global free trade, then global trade matters. You cannot say that it doesn't. There are consequences either way you look at it.

110 posted on 11/27/2004 3:34:12 PM PST by Dec31,1999 (www.protestwarrior.com)
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To: Dec31,1999
"Well, that can't be true."

No, it is *precisely* true.

111 posted on 11/27/2004 3:50:33 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Dec31,1999
China is a similar to a crack dealer. They've got us hooked on cheaper than sh*t goodies, and are happily collecting our IOU's.
And as addicted fools, we continue to ship off our industrial base, while China ignores all our patent laws, etc. God help when the bills come due.
BTW, study the British Opium wars for the game plan.
112 posted on 11/27/2004 3:51:51 PM PST by investigateworld (( "Bob, I bled from every wound", J. Kerry to R. Dole ...Now on my 5th day of not bashing Wal-mart)
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To: Southack
"a further decline in the foreign purchasing power of the Dollar is not to be feared, but rather, embraced."

And you think I am funny, you're a riot.

Our standard of living bit the dust in the 30s, and has been flat or in decline since Nixon's second term. We did get a big boost after ww2, and "hello" the dollar was super strong after ww2.

our problem is that the nation doesn't produce the wealth it once did. Free Traders have killed the money machine that the USA once was, sent it all over to China, India, Japan and Mexico. Less wealth, less wealth to go aound equals devalued currency.

113 posted on 11/27/2004 3:58:11 PM PST by jpsb (Ex)
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To: Southack; Dec31,1999

It is true, why southack claims otherwise is beyond me. Just take the price oil, if oil goes up in dollar terms (and it will) then the price of EVERYTHING in the US will go up too.


114 posted on 11/27/2004 4:01:44 PM PST by jpsb (Ex)
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To: jpsb
"Your reading skills are as poor as your debating skills. I am finished with you, you are waisting my time. It is very obvious to ANYONE that I am arguing that huge deficits BRING ABOUT collaspe not the opposite. jezzz, some people.

86 posted on 11/27/2004 4:08:25 PM CST by jpsb (Ex)

You are such a liar.

115 posted on 11/27/2004 4:01:53 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack

So I changed my mind, call the ACLU and sue me.


116 posted on 11/27/2004 4:05:00 PM PST by jpsb (Ex)
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To: jpsb
"Our standard of living bit the dust in the 30s, and has been flat or in decline since Nixon's second term."

Not true. Homeownership is up since then, and far, far more Americans own stock and bonds today than when Nixon was in the White House.

Our standard of living has *increased* even though (actually, partially because of) our Dollar's decline.

117 posted on 11/27/2004 4:05:42 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack

The easiest way for a corporation to cut costs is to out source the work which will cost the US jobs, not incresae the number of new jobs in America.


118 posted on 11/27/2004 4:07:42 PM PST by B4Ranch ((The lack of alcohol in my coffee forces me to see reality!))
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To: B4Ranch
"The easiest way for a corporation to cut costs is to out source the work which will cost the US jobs, not incresae the number of new jobs in America."

Outsouring becomes far, far less profitable as the Dollar declines.

119 posted on 11/27/2004 4:08:51 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: B4Ranch

bttt for later read


120 posted on 11/27/2004 4:09:13 PM PST by RadioAstronomer
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