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Posted on 11/26/2004 10:42:12 AM PST by Former Dodger
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|the holding of a philosophical view to exclude religion, would only oddly be held to be a religion.
Not any more than the holding of a philosophical view that there is a God, which is all that either the Boy Scouts or the Declaration of Independence are advancing.
It is obvious that the Establishment Clause was meant by the founders to deal with acts such as Henry VIII's, establishing a "Church of England" and demanding that Englishmen adhere to it. It is a huge stretch to claim that the clause prohibits any mention of a God whatsoever, by anyone with the remotest connection to government subsidy. That is nothing less than the godless establishing their religion.
If the Boy Scouts were demanding that scouts become Presbyterians, I could see the objection. But there's nothing like that. Instead we have courts demanding that scouts act like athiests. I fail to see how athiesm is not a religion; it takes as much of an act of faith to believe that there is no God, as to believe there is.
I'm calling BS on that one. I'm saying it flat did not happen. Someone made it up or someone is taking something compeletely out of context in order to push an agenda.
I, for one, have my kid in a private Catholic school because I don't want government shoving some Protestant cleric's version of religion down her throat. There is a completly undeniable separation of church and state. I want the government to keep its filthy nose out of our religion. The damn government controls everything it wants now, and some are even pushing it to control the version of religion that is dispensed. This is starting to tick me off!!
My child is taught that she must do good deeds for other people if she has any hope of getting into heaven. I for damn sure don't want the government telling her in a public school that this is not true because some Protestant cleric is making the government say otherwise. Its none of the government's damn business. This is exactly why there is a separation of church and state.
Flame away, but I'm getting royally ticked about all of this.
I have a very deep, inbred respect for language. I am making a distinction between religion and faith.
Having faith in some philosophy or the absence of something does not constitute that object. In fact it would be the antithesis.
Be afraid, be VERY afraid Errol!
You shoulda bashed those rugmunchers.
JUST kidding. :)
as was I, perhaps I was not clear in my choice of vocabulary. In general, the absence of something is not evidence of the object which is absent.
"I think reading between the lines spells out "unemployed.""
How about NEVER employed?
"The City Sun"
Yes, yes, you are likely correct that it's an error in the original.
YES! Wheee...wow.... thanks for roadmap Errol.
Think I will get archconservative tattooed on my butt...maybe with winner under it .............LOL..............................................................
Skeptical with you BUMP!
I don't think the whole story has been told on that CA thing, either. If you read the complaint filed on thesmokinggun.com, at LEAST two of the handouts that he put out were directly intended to push religion. The 'national day of prayer proclamation' he handed out was definitely NOT coincidental (though he claimed it was 'an example of a presidential proclamation'), and handing out 'what great leaders have said about the bible' and 'a history of "in god we trust"' are not exactly indicative of his extensive use of excerpts of historical documents from a non-proselytizing perspective.
"I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute," said Kennedy. "Where no religious body seeks to impose its will directly or indirectly upon the general populace or the public acts of its officials.... I believe in a President whose religious views are his own private affair."
kennedy was attempting to reassure the US public that as a Cholic (first one elected president) he would not be doing the bidding of the Pope in Rome. Just like a Jew running for president would have to assure the public that he was not a tool for Israel and would not be at their beck and call.
The author knows this and yet uses this misleading quote anyway, shame on him, I can understand why the editors at the Sun let him go.
This guy Dagman looks like a troll to me, I think his entire post was bogus.
Recall Ephesians 2:8-9 "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-- and this is not from yourselves, it is a gift of God-- not by works, so that no one can boast."
While it says in James that faith without works is dead, you neglect the fact that we are saved by faith, not works alone. I personally believe it irresponsible to teach a child that he or she can buy their way into heaven with good works. Good works should be a manifestation of faith.
Yup. It takes all kinds. Whatcha gonna do?
A teacher in California was forbidden to teach students about the Declaration of Independence, on the grounds that it violates the established religion of the state, which is secularism."
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