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To: Nick Danger
"A teacher in California was forbidden to teach students about the Declaration of Independence, on the grounds that it violates the established religion of the state, which is secularism."

I'm calling BS on that one. I'm saying it flat did not happen. Someone made it up or someone is taking something compeletely out of context in order to push an agenda.

I, for one, have my kid in a private Catholic school because I don't want government shoving some Protestant cleric's version of religion down her throat. There is a completly undeniable separation of church and state. I want the government to keep its filthy nose out of our religion. The damn government controls everything it wants now, and some are even pushing it to control the version of religion that is dispensed. This is starting to tick me off!!

My child is taught that she must do good deeds for other people if she has any hope of getting into heaven. I for damn sure don't want the government telling her in a public school that this is not true because some Protestant cleric is making the government say otherwise. Its none of the government's damn business. This is exactly why there is a separation of church and state.

Flame away, but I'm getting royally ticked about all of this.

22 posted on 11/26/2004 11:20:38 AM PST by DaGman
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To: DaGman

You lose.

29 posted on 11/26/2004 11:26:44 AM PST by Nick Danger (Want some wood?)
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To: DaGman

Skeptical with you BUMP!

I don't think the whole story has been told on that CA thing, either. If you read the complaint filed on thesmokinggun.com, at LEAST two of the handouts that he put out were directly intended to push religion. The 'national day of prayer proclamation' he handed out was definitely NOT coincidental (though he claimed it was 'an example of a presidential proclamation'), and handing out 'what great leaders have said about the bible' and 'a history of "in god we trust"' are not exactly indicative of his extensive use of excerpts of historical documents from a non-proselytizing perspective.


32 posted on 11/26/2004 11:33:27 AM PST by LibertarianInExile (NO BLOOD FOR CHOCOLATE! Get the UN-ignoring, unilateralist Frogs out of Ivory Coast!)
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To: DaGman
"My child is taught that she must do good deeds for other people if she has any hope of getting into heaven"...

There was ONE who preached that good deeds will not get you into heaven AND he was not a Protestant...

You are sitting on a small blue flame of your own ignition..
34 posted on 11/26/2004 11:35:42 AM PST by Phosgood (Kerry was a Shill for Hillery)
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To: DaGman
My child is taught that she must do good deeds for other people if she has any hope of getting into heaven.

Recall Ephesians 2:8-9 "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-- and this is not from yourselves, it is a gift of God-- not by works, so that no one can boast."

While it says in James that faith without works is dead, you neglect the fact that we are saved by faith, not works alone. I personally believe it irresponsible to teach a child that he or she can buy their way into heaven with good works. Good works should be a manifestation of faith.

37 posted on 11/26/2004 11:41:41 AM PST by Rockitz (After all these years, it's still rocket science.)
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To: DaGman
"My child is taught that she must do good deeds for other people if she has any hope of getting into heaven."

Are you sure you don't have her in a Muslim school?

41 posted on 11/26/2004 12:05:10 PM PST by BenLurkin (Big government is still a big problem.)
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To: DaGman

You seem to have a peculiar fear of "protestant clerics,"
especially the idea that they may do something to your daughter in public schools.

If you want to keep her "safe" from Christian teachings other than your own idiosyncratic brand, public school would be the "safest haven" you could ask for.


53 posted on 11/26/2004 1:52:56 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: DaGman

There is a completly undeniable separation of church and state. I want the government to keep its filthy nose out of our religion.

I have read the Constitution many times and have never seen a seperation of church and state in there. Government may not endorse a particular religion, but there is no seperation.


59 posted on 11/26/2004 2:53:23 PM PST by weshess (I will stop hunting when the animals agree to quit jumping in front of my gun to commit suicide)
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