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I'm still not clear why after the Westinghouse/CBS merger, the network was renamed WeBS.

Great article, Mr. Thomas

1 posted on 11/26/2004 1:46:42 AM PST by Quilla
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"Klein called Mapes "absolutely peerless . . . in the profession. She is a crack journalist."

So tempting, so tempting.

2 posted on 11/26/2004 1:52:14 AM PST by Enterprise (The left hates the Constitution. Islamic Fascism hates America. Natural allies.)
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To: Quilla

A subtle pun at Rather's own autobiography "The Camera Never Blinks"?


3 posted on 11/26/2004 1:52:59 AM PST by Tall_Texan (Let's REALLY Split The Country! (http://righteverytime3.blogspot.com))
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4 posted on 11/26/2004 1:53:21 AM PST by sneakers
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Good read, but another piece that won't float to the top where the masses will see it..


5 posted on 11/26/2004 2:23:38 AM PST by .45MAN ("God bless America and George W. Bush")
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Old Cal is playing nice-nice along with fellow members of Big Media. Even Brent Bozell was letting Rather ride off into the sunset without knocking him off his high horse? Have we forgotten what Rather & Mapes were trying to do? The timing of it?
Let me remind you... They ran with an old, old story (not to be equated to the perfidious behavior of his challenger) about President Bush and tried to blow life into it very late in the campaign, and they did so with childishly spurious documents tendered by well-known crank and malcontent. When presented with irrefutable proof of the forgery Rather churlishly persisted in defending his shoddy work. Rather, to this day, has not apologized or even denounced the credibility of the papers. An inquiry(!) has been underway since the incident. It's looking like we'll find out who killed JFK before it winds up its business but meanwhile Rather & Mapes are collecting their checks.
If we didn't have the most generous libel laws in all the world, Rather & Mapes might be in the stocks.
Seeing these old boys file their sad adieus to the corrupt Face of CBS News makes me want to hurl chunks.

P.S. It was Rather that pushed old Uncle Walter ("The Most Trusted Man in America") out the door when he made it plain that he could do other things if he didn't get the anchor chair on his timetable.

6 posted on 11/26/2004 2:24:01 AM PST by thegreatbeast (Quid lucrum istic mihi est?)
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The air was electric during a public panel on political reporting convened right before the DNC convention earlier in the year. The "old media guard" spoke as a group.

It was a foreshadow of things to come...


Kennedy School of Government discussion 'The Press and the Election'

Shorenstein Center panel convenes Brokaw, Jennings, Lehrer, Rather, Woodruff

On this panel discussion about the state of the media (before Rather's recent memo Waterloo), Rather and Woodruff were evidently a bit cowed by the severe freeping they were getting; concerned Americans were apparently complaining to their studios -- especially via E-mail.

Judy was particularly concerned that this could disrupt her professional focus!

Angry comments were apparently effective in making them realize that many of the American people are actually afraid of the press and what they're doing to our nation with their selfish partisanship. As noted below, the whole transcript is there to read. I may post a thread for its URL if I get enough interest. It's a 77-page PDF file.

I'd be exaggerating if I said that the discussion empasized how the panelists felt intimidated. But I picked up on that.

MS. WOODRUFF: No, I don't see it as a media problem. And I'm going to chime in with what Jim, what he and Tom have said, I mean it's going on but what we do in our newsrooms, the decisions we make about what we are going to cover and how we are going to approach stories can't change because people are out there fighting each other. Sure, it makes it an interesting story and we want to cover that story. But in no way should we feel on the defensive for example, if we get a lot of e-mails or letters or calls or whatever, and people are saying, you're not representing that point of view, sure, we should pay attention, we want what we do, to a degree, to be interactive, we want to be responsive, in a way. But it can never govern what we do. And I would just add here, I think a lot of this divisiveness that we are talking about here this morning has been churned up by our political leadership, I mean there is a lot that they are doing, both political parties, to churn this up. --Transcript

8 posted on 11/26/2004 2:37:36 AM PST by risk
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"You're right Cal. We at CBS hate those bible thumping Christians as much as an alligator crossing an asphalt highway in a room full of rocking chairs. This controversy is hotter than a blue tailed swallow in a July barnyard. Merry Chr.....errrr, Happy Holidays.

Courage!"

9 posted on 11/26/2004 2:40:18 AM PST by SkyPilot
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12 posted on 11/26/2004 2:53:28 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The democRATS are near the tipping point.)
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He is a man who loves his country.

A man who truly loves his country does not try to take down a sitting president with a smear campaign knowingly based on forged documents. Rather's hatred of Republicans will be his legacy...his dress stain if you will.

13 posted on 11/26/2004 3:03:54 AM PST by peyton randolph (Time for Bush to pack the U.S. Supremes)
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The MSM needs to learn the old/early digital programing bit,,,Garbage-In-Garbge-Out.


16 posted on 11/26/2004 3:08:06 AM PST by Waco
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Spot on article, IMO. I'm joyous over watching cBS & Co slowly go down the dumper. And I'm hoping the others will follow, in due time, when the rest of America finally wakes-up and realizes that they've been lied to for the past 40+ years.


21 posted on 11/26/2004 4:01:57 AM PST by 7.62 x 51mm (• veni • vidi • vino • visa • "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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A blogger is "a guy sitting in his living room in his pajamas writing what he thinks"?

Who wears pajamas? I thought the uniform of the day was a pair of socks.


22 posted on 11/26/2004 4:04:51 AM PST by alloysteel ("Master of the painfully obvious.....")
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This CBS Thomas refers to, is it some sort of broadcast television news organization? I haven't seen such a thing in over 10 years. It must have all of the appeal of a Star Trek convention.

Seriously, who watches and who among the rest of us cares? The day when these people had serious influence and that influence was growing is long gone. There may be a trace remaining but it is tiny and disappearing fast. And Dumbass Dan is one of the primary reasons.

25 posted on 11/26/2004 4:10:35 AM PST by muir_redwoods
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He (Klein) stereotyped a blogger as "a guy sitting in his living room in his pajamas writing what he thinks."

It wasnt in his living room, it was in his bedroom.

28 posted on 11/26/2004 4:37:18 AM PST by lowbridge
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he gets it, but not all of it.....When he says "for the once great CBS" he refers to ol'Walter days but the truth is that those days were just as much of a con job as Dan Rather's days.

Walter lied, spun and worked the main stream media into a defeatist anti war, anti military madness. His fith column attack handed us our first defeat and laid the groundwork for 50 years of socialism. With the help of John Kerry and Jane Fonda, Walter influenced the youth of our country and did more to start the decline of the now famous "moral values" than any other so called "newsman".

The only difference between the "once great CBS" and "The irrelevant CBS" is the fact that the POWER OF INFORMATION is no longer their sole property. CBS has always been a liberal bastion...only now others have the means to prove it. VIVA FREEREPUBLIC!


29 posted on 11/26/2004 4:40:33 AM PST by UltraKonservativen (( YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID ))
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IMO, the timing of Rather's "retirement" announcement has more to do with the contents of the internal investigation at SeeBS than anything else. I believe the contents of the report have been leaked to Dandy Dan and he took the bait to get out while the getting was good before SeeBS management were forced to fire him based on the internal investigation's report.

IOW, Rather, essentially, is being forced out as opposed to retiring at his own will. SeeBS "C's" the handwriting on the wall. Their ratings have continued to plummet and Rather & Co. have helped accelerate that fact. The internal investigation will do nothing for Rather's cause.

If there is justice in the world, Rather should be taking Mapes with him. For all we know, Mapes is still "working" on the phony Bush/Guard story. After more than 5 years on this non-story, one would think that is there were any "there" there, it would have been discovered.

For all of their efforts, the best they could do was try to smear a sitting president with forged documents besmirching his honorable service to the nation versus any serious investigation of John Kerry's "heroic" (gag, barf) service.

Since this is what passes for "news" these days in the MSM, is it any wonder that so many of us prefer to get our news from cyberspace and just let these talking bobblehead dolls talk to themselves?


30 posted on 11/26/2004 4:55:17 AM PST by DustyMoment (Repeal CFR NOW!!)
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The only good thing about Rather was the entertaintment he provide at the 68 Democrat Convention when he was punched in the gut by one of mayor daily's goons


31 posted on 11/26/2004 5:11:07 AM PST by uncbob
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Dan Rather lost me as a viewer in 1972.

During the Dem Convention of 1972, Dan was a cub floor reporter. During the Convention, which then ran gavel to gavel on TV, cubbie Dan was all over the floor. Every so often he made it to the microphone to report to the anchors (I don't remember who they were).

Dan was breathless, reporting on rumors. Dan was trying so hard to be the first to break news. Dan would run back and forth from delegate groups and caucuses to the mic to report to the anchor desk.

This went on for 3 days. Dan was so want to break the news that Edward M. Kennedy had decided to run. But, to Dan's chagrin, Kennedy refused to announce. Little ole cub reporter Dan's runs back and forth and must have logged 500 miles on his feet. But, no Kennedy announcement. No BREAKING news for Dan to announce.

At the end of the Convention, Dan's disappointment at failing to get the Kennedy announces story showed on Dan's haggard face. Even then, Dan was trying to 'make', not just 'report', the news. He failed then, 1972 Democrat Convention, just like he failed trying to 'make' news with the faked fax documents in 2004.
33 posted on 11/26/2004 5:33:09 AM PST by TomGuy (America: Best friend or worst enemy. Choose wisely.)
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Before Peter Jennings became the anchor at ABC there was a black man who filled the spot. He died at an early age. Anyone remember his name?


37 posted on 11/26/2004 6:16:42 AM PST by em2vn
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It didn't have to be this way for Dan Rather or for the once great CBS.

Richard Nixon was a once great president.
Dam Rather and CBS were never great.


39 posted on 11/26/2004 6:44:03 AM PST by oldbrowser (You lost the election.....................Get over it.)
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