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Winner declared in Ukraine; opposition calls for national strike
boston.com ^ | Thursday, November 25, 2004 | Peter Finn

Posted on 11/24/2004 11:03:34 PM PST by Destro

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To: Destro
Let's see. Who was for Bush? Putin and Berlusconi, who watched the returns together and are good friends. The Australian leader, is it Howard?

I didn't hear a peep from Blair.

21 posted on 11/24/2004 11:21:16 PM PST by MarMema
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To: F16Fighter
Where were the UN "observers"??

UN observers? Ha. I want the real deal: Jimmy Carter.
22 posted on 11/24/2004 11:21:40 PM PST by gipper81
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To: Destro

right....this is about ukraine's election not the us election, i'm pretty sure we didnt have russian tanks in our streets to make sure the fraudulant vote gets passed.


23 posted on 11/24/2004 11:21:59 PM PST by KOZ. (Reducing liberalism from a threat to a mere nuisance. Just like prostitution.)
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To: FairOpinion
It's a catch-22! If she gets hooked on FR, then I'm stuck controlling my 2yr old while cooking and cleaning. I tried that several times, I'd rather tell her there is nothing outside the front door. I'd never get anything done. I'm a fist time parent and could never imagine doing it alone.
24 posted on 11/24/2004 11:22:41 PM PST by endthematrix ("Hey, it didn't hit a bone, Colonel. Do you think I can go back?" - U.S. Marine)
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To: KOZ.

What is our Defcon?


25 posted on 11/24/2004 11:23:13 PM PST by fullosseousflap
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To: KOZ.

I am calling your bluff - link article that shows Russian tanks in the streets of a Ukranian city.


26 posted on 11/24/2004 11:24:34 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: b2stealth

Since I've been reading the British press surrounding our election, I'm reluctant to take sides on this one. If one follows the NYT and reads many columnists, one might think that GWB was destroying not only America but the rest of the world and that he had "stolen" the election. Often these days, one even sees the word "election" surrounded by quotes. I don't know enough about Ukrainian politics to know what is right. I noted that the city of Donetsk is supporting the current leader and is not protesting. It is a major city.

6 posted on 11/24/2004 11:32:36 AM EST by Another Thought

27 posted on 11/24/2004 11:25:09 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro

Every time I think of orchestrated strikes, I think of Kosovo. And rightfully so.


28 posted on 11/24/2004 11:25:27 PM PST by endthematrix ("Hey, it didn't hit a bone, Colonel. Do you think I can go back?" - U.S. Marine)
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To: KOZ.
do you not understand that the entire free world is claiming the election as a fraud?

Curious, just how the heck would the "entire free world" know one way or the other? Blackbird.

29 posted on 11/24/2004 11:25:49 PM PST by BlackbirdSST
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To: EaglesUpForever

regarding #15 - not what you expected was it?


30 posted on 11/24/2004 11:25:52 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro

There is this very false equivalence going on here - aided and abetted by a Synchronicity with a nasty sense of humor. Is it completely impossible that exit polling - ridiculously skewed to represent 'Rat voters could be wrong here - but much more accurate in the Ukraine - where wholesale ballot stuffing was seen by all observers?

Facts matter.


31 posted on 11/24/2004 11:26:35 PM PST by guitfiddlist (When the 'Rats break out switchblades, it's no time to invoke Robert's Rules.)
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To: endthematrix

In a year or two, you could buy your kid a computer too. Problem solved. ;)


32 posted on 11/24/2004 11:26:43 PM PST by FairOpinion (Happy Thanksgiving!)
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To: guitfiddlist

It is very ironic indeed.


33 posted on 11/24/2004 11:28:32 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro

Someone posted this -- but I haven't seen it anywhere else, and it could just be propaganda to incite people.

New Confirmation: 2 Russian Planes landed in Kiev (KBP) carrying russian Special Forces..
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1288077/posts

It wouldn't be the first time, the media makes things up, for a purpose.


34 posted on 11/24/2004 11:30:12 PM PST by FairOpinion (Happy Thanksgiving!)
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To: endthematrix

You'll learn a lot from the first one. By the next one you'll be parenting in your sleep. Have a few more and get a lot of experience.


35 posted on 11/24/2004 11:33:10 PM PST by MarMema
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To: FairOpinion
The news channel for the opposition - and they are reporting based on information goven to them by the Yuschenko team.

They screwed up - the lobby group for them in America posted the information - which was reposted on FreeRepublic. It is how powerful advocacy groups put out rumors - which then can serve as news feed.

36 posted on 11/24/2004 11:34:17 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro

Yes I think one post said there were 1000 Russian special forces in two planes. I thought it was the Moscow circus come to town with a substitute for the volkswagon, but I was wondering if you could tell me more about it. How big do planes come anyway?


37 posted on 11/24/2004 11:34:44 PM PST by MarMema
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To: Destro

That's not so strange, still it looks like too bad sides in many ways, but it's probably the case that the election was a fraud.


38 posted on 11/24/2004 11:36:18 PM PST by EaglesUpForever
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To: MarMema

The Russians - thanks to the Ukrainians - have the biggest planes in the world. The AN-225 is bigger than our C-5B Galaxy - and they also have the AN-226 (not sure of these number designations) - which has 6 engines - and is commensurately bigger. That's another consideration - the Ukrainians have an awesome aerospace capability - which would be nice for us to have on our side.


39 posted on 11/24/2004 11:42:17 PM PST by guitfiddlist (When the 'Rats break out switchblades, it's no time to invoke Robert's Rules.)
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To: EaglesUpForever
Meg Greenfield: Everybody's for democracy in principle. It's only in practice that the thing gives rise to stiff objections.

Stuart Chase: Democracy, as has been said of Christianity, has never really been tried.

Thomas Jefferson: A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.

40 posted on 11/24/2004 11:42:56 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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