Winner declared in Ukraine; opposition calls for national strike

boston.com ^ | Thursday, November 25, 2004 | Peter Finn

[Destro]

I gather as honest as any election in Mexico or Chicago is.

[MarMema]

Or Washington state.

[The Spirit Of Allegiance]

No Russian tanks, only a Hungarian economic bomb named Soros and a corrupt media shrapnelfest of lies.... We only had the Liberals trying for 50 years to disarm us--and Liz Edwards' veiled threat of no anarchist violence IF THEY WON....difference isn't in any unwillingness to use violence here, it's in our ability here to fight back. Viva la NRA. Viva Bloggers and FR!

[KOZ.]

link article that shows Russian tanks in the streets of a Ukranian city. i'm refering to an article here on FR that i saw. it mentioned russian tanks rolling in. i cant find it now, so it may have been pulled. however there are numerous threads on russian troops in ukraine.

either way, this is simply not the same as our elections.

[MarMema]

Tanks

Enjoy. BBC said it was rumors.

[MarMema]

Do make time to read the tanks thread, at least the first page or two. It is very funny.

[KOZ.]

thanks for finding that, and clearing it up.

where did bbc say it was rumors?

[Destro]

Maidan is the ones that starte dthe rumor to whip up support and Western support.

[MarMema]

I was wrong, it was the Guardian, not BBC.

guardian

[NoControllingLegalAuthority]

Regardless of our own "favorites," that the vote tabulation in Ukraine was not allowed to be observed impartially leaves any Russian-declared "winner" without legitimacy.

[Bon mots]

The Commies tried to kill Yuschenko. They did manage to poison him enough to make his face get all covered with boils and pockmarked. Then Putin came to the country and told the electorate to vote for the most handsome candidate. (He used a word which can mean nice or nice-looking.)


       Before                      After Poisoning Attempt by Putin's Buddies

[DTA]

>>>>>That's another consideration - the Ukrainians have an awesome aerospace capability - which would be nice for us to have on our side.<<<<

Ukraine is already on our side on WOT

Euroweenies' candidate is AGAINST it.

[guitfiddlist]

Ukraine is already on our side on WOT

How many Russian troops are helping us in Iraq? And how many Ukrainian troops would Putin's puppet send? Yanukovich has promised to cut off talks about joining NATO, for example. Nobody's perfect - but Yanukovich is decidedly less perfect.

[Destro]

Western media and governments may have edited out the manifestations of extreme nationalism and anti-Semitism which disfigure the Ukrainian opposition’s rabble-rousing but history will record that in the run up to the disputed presidential elections, key opposition leaders, including Viktor Yushchenko, Julia Timoshenko and Alexander Moroz, defended anti-Semitic publications and accepted the backing of neo-Nazi groups as well as US and EU and so-called “civic society” NGOs. Nor were the anti-Semtic apologetics of the Ukrainian opposition unknown to key OSCE observers and EU parliamentarians who nonetheless ignored the dark shadow across Yushchenko’s campaign preferring instead to abuse his rival.

[Destro]

How do you say Sieg Heil! in Ukrainian?

[A. Pole]

How do you say Sieg Heil! in Ukrainian?

It is fascinating how the Sorosian method of coup d'etat resembles the classic Fascist coup d'etat - the Black Shirt march on Rome in 1922. Only today the shirts are orange.

[Destro]

Did Republican investigations charge that Soros was a "capo" in the Nazi prison camps? Maybe he learned a thing or two under his former masters?

[Tailgunner Joe]

Here we go again. Those dirty jew-hating Nazi Ukrainians are better off subjugated by Russia than free. If only Stalin had killed more of them. </Russophile>

[LibertarianInExile]

Hold on there. That 'accepted the backing' thing is overblown in a parliamentary system like Ukraine's, as is any blanket statement calling these groups Neo-Nazi and extreme nationalist. We could call out the Yanukovych team for being endorsed by Communists and labor leagues as well as their own brand of extreme nationalists. As to Yush being anti-semitic, I won't argue that--but I will point out that BOTH sides have that fault, and you can't dispute THAT.

Certainly, there are ties to groups that were fighting on the side of the Nazis in WWII that have endorsed Yushchenko. Those groups were fighting the Communists, too! There is certainly a real issue for discussion, which you may address to Ukrainians, as to just how pro-Nazi Ukraine was while it was fighting on the side of the Germans during WWII. The Commies are obviously not going to avoid saying they were 100% Nazi in an effort to smear Yush.

I don't know about Moroz. But as to Timoshenko--yes, she's dirty. That doesn't necessarily tar the man she campaigns for in this system--it's darn hard to keep clean and get elected in the Ukraine, from what I read, and money is hugely important in this election, too. And it's not like Timoshenko's hand in the till isn't dwarfed by Kuchma's giant iron fist, whose regime explicitly endorsed Yanuk and stole the election and half the country. Lest you forget, Yanuk was PM of the kleptocracy under Kuchma, too.

What you are printing here is the anti-Yushchenko propaganda that the hard left is putting out in a bid to keep him out and install the Russki puppet. I respect your opinion, and I'm curious as to why you dislike Yushchenko so much. I am not reflexively saying that I like him, but I get the impression that any positives that come up about this situation you are looking to refute. Why?

[Destro]

the hard left is backing Yushchenko - like it or not.