The only worthwhile Marxists were the brothers.
Posted on 11/24/2004 9:35:29 AM PST by bikepacker67
The following are excerpts from a discussion on wife beating on Qatar TV:
Dr. Ibrahim Elias, a lawyer: There is a difference between instilling discipline and aggression. Likewise, there is a difference between wife beating as a phenomenon, as a right, as a duty, or as a rule.
The phenomenon of beatings is widespread, but does religion support beatings? No, religion is a means of therapy. When Allah said in the Koran "and beat them," he didn't establish it as a rule, but as a means of therapy. Does a surgeon wield a knife from the outset in order to operate? No, if there is a gangrened limb, he amputates it, and if there is pain, he treats it efficiently. Islam refers to the issue of beating at the end of the verse. Before verse 34 in the Al-Nisa Sura in the Koran it says, "As for those from whom you fear disobedience…" "Disobedience" means a wife who refrains from obeying the man. The man is the guardian in his home, he is the judge, and of better judgment. When the wife rebels…
Moderator Muna Al-Shazli: The judge and of better judgment?
Elias: Indeed, he is of better judgment. The man is the judge in his home.
Al-Shazli: There are many cases of people, including Arabs, where the wife has better judgment.
Elias: I am speaking as a rule.
Al-Shazli: Excuse me for a moment, if we accept everything in our lives as a given, we will never make progress. I'm usually neutral but there is no one here to help me, so let's discuss this…
Elias: I am neutral…
Al-Shazli: You claim that as a rule, the man is of better judgment?
Elias: Allah claims this.
Iman Bibars, Director of the Womens' Development Society: I conducted a study in seven random areas in Cairo, in Palestine, Kuwait, Jordan, and Syria. I'd like to say that I found something that took me by surprise. I call it "a culture of the electricity cable." What does it mean? The men in the study did not know one another, but they all used to beat their wives with electricity cables. These cables are large and they would beat their wives.
Dr. Elias:Our civil law and Islamic law do not present wife-beating as a rule, but they deal with a situation where a man beats his wife. What should we do then? My friend, if you beat your wife and it's only light beatings in order to set things straight - that's it. We forgive light beatings. We tell him, "They are not considered an assault, but discipline."
Al-Shazli: What do you mean by light beatings? I'd very much like to know what they are…
Elias: Light beatings, from the legal aspect…
Al-Shazli: I'd like to say something. When a man treats his wife this way, when his hand is like an iron rod, she is hurt, physically and mentally… What kind of idea is this "light beatings"?
Elias: Light beatings are not excessive. They don't leave a mark, don't break bones, don't cause bleeding, and don't cause death. These are light beatings. With some women - nothing helps except beatings.
Bibars And with some men - nothing helps except beatings.
Elias:: For example, a man comes home from work and finds his wife watching TV. She doesn't even get up to make him food. He tells her once, twice, and asks again. If only once he would raise his voice and beat her, she would get up to prepare food for him and by the next day she'd be obedient. This will last for a week and when she forgets, he will remind her. Let's admit it, the woman was created from a crooked rib.
I would like to send a message from here: The wife must speak quietly and she must carry out all her duties toward her husband and family. She must not give her husband the chance to beat her, and if he has already beaten her, she must treat him in a way that will not cause him to repeat it, so the beatings won't become a habit.
The only worthwhile Marxists were the brothers.
The short answer would be a world where they follow someone who has sex with little girls, who Murdered a girls father, husband and other relatives so he could rape her.. I wonder if the Islamic apologists out there think this sounds like Jesus or Buddha, or still think all "religions" are similar and should be treated as morally equivalent.
Their hypocrisy is slowly being revealed. Like Oz, the curtain is falling away, and we are really seeing them for the first time.
LOL!!!! Sorry... I'm going to need a while to recover from that.
;o)
A_R
How do these nitwits feel about shooting husbands? How do the beaten wives feel about it? Differently, I'll bet
Agreed! A frying pan to a sleeping head would solve the problem instantly, but she would probably be put to death.
We are blessed, we have recourse that these poor women do not have. Wake up America before we lose it.
I thought you might enjoy that!
Seriously though, it really does put things in perspective.
The reasoning of an abuser....they appear to be the same worldwide. "It's not my fault, she made me angry, so it's all her fault.
*southern wives do too...but much more discreetly.
lolol...."bless those moslem men's little hearts".
Yes... Except for the beatings it does reflect for instance a lot of the Haredim... You see, Jewish women can be browbeaten, their children are the property of the father etc...In cases of adultery this is even mandatory... And the rabbis can give the right to a man to remarry if his wife is barren.
That this is now rare is because of the difference of dina demalkut dina... This is part of the 10%
"So, for example, while biblical, talmudic, and Muslim law all allow a man to marry more than one woman, Christian law does not, and so Ashkenazic Jewish men and women, who lived predominantly among Christians, were enjoined by Rabbeinu Gershom from polygyny while Sephardic Jews, who continued to live among Muslims, were not restricted in that way. Similarly, Sephardic rabbis, living among Muslims who permitted and even encouraged husbands to beat their wives, generally allowed Jewish husbands to do so as well, while Ashkenazic rabbis, especially those in Germany who were influenced by both Christian and Jewish pietism, resoundingly condemn wife-beating"
The sephardic tradition does condone wife-beating... Funny you didn't know that!
You really are very ignorant!
in all seriousness.
here in Nashville whenever I see a muslim family with the woman swathed in cover and following behind the man and all....I think to myself.
WITF are we allowing these folks here. This Statue of Liberty "huddled masses" ought to have limits.
We have a lot of Kurds here....they are more "modern" and the women do not appear as chattle.
*I like my wife to LEAD ME as a rule....preferably in Seven or Paper Denim and Cloth jeans that fit snuggish....with heels or boots naturally....I follow willingly.
That was uncalled for.
Be nice, it's the Holidays (except in Maryland schools)
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